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Russian Fighters for American Airforce/Navy: The only prudent solution!
Flight Journal. ^ | Robert W. Kress with Rear Adm. Paul Gillcrist, U.S. Navy (Ret

Posted on 06/06/2002 3:23:27 AM PDT by spetznaz

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To: spetznaz
What our good friends in the Middle East could benefit from is a visit from the doctor:


21 posted on 06/06/2002 4:02:03 AM PDT by The Other Harry
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22 posted on 06/06/2002 4:03:08 AM PDT by spetznaz
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< IMGsrc=" http://www.flightjournal.com/articles/su27/twin_Su-7.jpg" >

Your html was close. If you lose the space between the left caret and IMG, insert a space between IMG and src and then lose the space between the right quote and the right carat, all works well, as shown below.


23 posted on 06/06/2002 4:03:49 AM PDT by pt17
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To: lavaroise
Sure we can. We can build anything. How much $$$ do you want to spend?

The thing is, no matter what you do to/for the F/A-18E, it still won't have the fuel load to go anywhere.

24 posted on 06/06/2002 4:05:23 AM PDT by GBA
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To: spetznaz
Voila! Thanks a lot. I was trying too hard! LOL

No problem, mon. It took me only about 100 hours to figure that out. ;)

Btw, thank YOU for posting that article. Interesting stuff.

25 posted on 06/06/2002 4:08:07 AM PDT by The Other Harry
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To: spetznaz
Try one more time. Cut and paste this:

<IMG src=" http://www.flightjournal.com/articles/su27/twin_Su-7.jpg">

26 posted on 06/06/2002 4:09:11 AM PDT by Physicist
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Whoops, you got it already!
27 posted on 06/06/2002 4:10:15 AM PDT by Physicist
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To: lavaroise
America can build its own thrust vectored hot-roded F14s...

Think we should pay to build the F14 molds again?

28 posted on 06/06/2002 4:10:34 AM PDT by The Other Harry
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Sure we can. We can build anything. How much $$$ do you want to spend?

How much Russian nukes do you want to spend?

Somehow the consumerist tendencies have gotten over our strategic priorities.

29 posted on 06/06/2002 4:10:44 AM PDT by lavaroise
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To: The Other Harry
Better pay for F14 molds than to pay the ruskies to land bombs on our heads.
30 posted on 06/06/2002 4:11:38 AM PDT by lavaroise
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To: spetznaz
Now on to the question of What do you guys think about this?

At that price, I'd buy a few, modify the avionics and give it whirl. For that matter, we may already have a few. I thought I read awhile back that we'd bought some to keep them from falling into the wrong hands.
31 posted on 06/06/2002 4:11:51 AM PDT by pt17
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America can build its own thrust vectored hot-roded F14s and F18s. We don't need no Sus

Lets look at this. The F-14 has been killed! The current crop of Tomcats will not be replaced once they become too aged to fly, and the tooling to build them was destroyed by Cheney (his reasons remain mysterious)!

As for the F-18 it is no match for a naval Su-33 with a trained pilot at the helm. A sukhoi can outfly an F-18, even when the F-18 has external fuel tanks and the Sukhoi doesn't (actually Sukhois do not carry external tanks since they do not need them). And it can outmanouevre the hornet hands down.

Actually the reason the Australians opted for the Sukhoi and started replacing their F-18s is due to Indonesia purchasing a number of Sukhois (i am not sure whether they were the naval su-33s or the 'normal' Su-27/30), but Australia saw that its F-18s could not cope with the Su, especially Sus armed with R-77s. Thus its decisions regarding tis jets.

I almost worship the Grumman F-14 and i think it is one of the coolest badboys out there. However the tomcat is being put to sleep, and the hornet is not up to the job (unless the job is flying to Iraq and shooting down 'monkey model' Mig-29s with the lowest tech Russia decided to give the Iraqis, and flown by inept Iraqi pilots). What if we have to face a foe with upgraded Sukhois and Rateka-77s, and all we have is F-18s?

And by the way the Sukhoi can be coated with RAM to reduce its radar visibility by 70% (the indians got that from russia).

You want to tell me you are willing to match our pilots against that potentiality (not India, but some nation with Sus)?

32 posted on 06/06/2002 4:12:06 AM PDT by spetznaz
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To: lavaroise
I agree with you, but the financial realities won't go away. Just take a quick look at health care. It's so important it should be free, right? Do you think we should force doctors and engineers to work for free? Not in my world.

We can have, do, or build practically anything. Will that be cash or charge?

33 posted on 06/06/2002 4:16:15 AM PDT by GBA
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To: pt17
At that price, I'd buy a few, modify the avionics and give it whirl.

The defect in your proposal is that it's too sensible. Neither the Navy brass nor Congress could ever come to grips with doing anything that doesn't cost billions of dollars and take 15 years to complete.

I will add that I don't think we should be looking only for parity. We should be after getting the best.

Still, the SU's could fill a gap while we're spending billions -- plus the over-runs -- and waiting 15 years.

34 posted on 06/06/2002 4:21:26 AM PDT by The Other Harry
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Sadly i read somewhere that the warthog is also being cut off in favor of the future JSF and upgraded F-16 blocks! And that is another thing i do not understand!

The first one was how they could put the F-14 tomcat to sleep, and replace it with the F-18!!!!

Instead of that they should have 'juiced' up the F-14, given it better avionics and fire-control systems, and then thrown it at the bad guys.

What other plane apart from the F-14 can operate the Phoenix missile? None!

What other plane can fly as far as the F-14? Only the A-6 intruder... but wait. That one was killed too!

What other naval plane is as efficient as the F-14 in terms of being able to fit into various combat situations, and emerge superior? None. The F-18A was actually the aircraft that was competing against the f-16 (it lost to the F-16 and was 'pushed' to the navy), and although it was an ok fighter it was NOT a fighter-bomber. Then they made it into the E, which to most is neither a great fighter, nor a good strike aircraft!

35 posted on 06/06/2002 4:21:51 AM PDT by spetznaz
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To: lavaroise
Read no. 35
36 posted on 06/06/2002 4:22:47 AM PDT by spetznaz
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37 posted on 06/06/2002 4:27:52 AM PDT by spetznaz
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38 posted on 06/06/2002 4:29:06 AM PDT by spetznaz
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39 posted on 06/06/2002 4:30:20 AM PDT by spetznaz
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40 posted on 06/06/2002 4:32:32 AM PDT by spetznaz
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