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He described the night as typically mundane. He had more pizza and a third beer while playing video games with his sons. Danielle wrote in her journal and read. The dog, Layla, chewed up her bed. Then it was time for sleep. By 10, he said, he had kissed his three children and made sure they were in their separate second-floor bedrooms with their doors open a small crack.

The night was typically mundane. Evidently smoking pot and having extra sex partners show up was a typical mundane occurance around the Van Dam house. What did the children do while the adults were smoking pot? What do you say to a seven year old girl when she wants to go out to the garage with adults? Girls are very social and crave being around their mom especially when grown up women come over. It's a girl thing. Evidently the Van Dams simply tell the kids to stay out of the garage, or they let them watch.

Here is another curious series of facts. Van Dam leaves the kid's doors open when they go to bed. But when he's alone on the bed with the other woman, nobody bothers to close the kid's doors. Adults are home cavorting around. The kids have been asleep for five hours. In all likelyhood they could easily wake up. But the Van Dams don't seem to care enough to close the doors or to mind if one of the kids walks in on dad while he's stroking someone other than mother.

Soon after, he turned in. His wife, Kemal and Easton returned from the bar with two male friends just before two, he said. Easton jumped into his bed and van Dam said he kissed and “snuggled” her for five minutes before joining the other guests downstairs.

What does a child think when they find dad kissing a woman other this their mother? Do they think that it's okay because they've grown up seeing that over and over?

He said the guests left within 20 minutes and then he and Brenda went to bed , shutting the dog in their eldest son’s room. They did not, however, check on the children.

Sometime in the three o’clock hour, he said, something woke him up and he noticed that an alarm panel indicated an open door or window somewhere in the house. When he went to investigate, he found the rear sliding door open. He concluded that one of his wife’s friends had opened the door, a conclusion he said he made "quickly and mistakenly."

Okay, something wakes you up. You walk downstairs and check the alarm. You find a door is open. You secure it and reset the alarm. But you don't check on the children. How long would it take to make a glance at the kids? Obviously Van Dam cared enough about whatever woke him up that he checked out the house. Why wouldn't he check on his kids as a matter of procedure?

These people are more interested in their own perverse pleasures than the safety or well being of their children. I am astounded that parents of other children come to these folks defense so easily. All the concern seems to be about "their" loss. Pardon me, but my concern was for the little girl who was placed in harms way and paid the ultimate price. To hell with the parents.

Danielle's body had missing teeth. It seems to me it would be easy to tell if those teeth were knocked out or fell out due to decay. Teeth don't just fall out. I've witnessed enough dead animals to know that there is breakage if they are knocked out. What damage was there to her lips? Did Westerfield have any wounds on his hands? Did the teeth have damage on the surface from a hard object hitting them? Were the roots broken?

There's a lot missing here. This should all come out in the trial. I can't wait until Brenda is put on the stand. I'd do my best to corner that woman. I'd have canvased every bar within thirty miles in order to see if anyone had seen Brenda with Westerfild before. If she was a consort of his, I sure as hell hope it comes out.

Scuzball with porno on his computer 2 doors down, and two Scuzballs with live porno at home.

Today's testimoney was even worse than you portrayed.

Yes, Brenda's testimony is going to be very interesting. Could BVD have rejected DW and not let him play in her sandbox?

I wonder if anyone has checkout the Van Dam porno collection. Mostly video tape, I'd bet.

"I am astounded that parents of other children come to these folks defense so easily. All the concern seems to be about "their" loss. Pardon me, but my concern was for the little girl who was placed in harms way and paid the ultimate price. To hell with the parents. "

D1, that is so well-stated that I just had to come out of lurk-mode and applaud your courage in saying it. But it's the truth! The absolute truth. And certain members here now can no longer hide behind the "well, we don't know that they were swingers..." excuse. The lead-swinger, the grand poohbah of the swingers himself just said so.

I also do not understand the people who say, "they didn't 'deserve' to lose their daughter." Actually, they did. The daughter--and both young sons--should have been removed from the home long ago by the authorities.

It's the daughter, though, that didn't deserve the life she had, nor the death she suffered.

Thank you for sharing your heartfelt post. As for myself, I've said all along, that all I wanted to do was wait and see if what RR said proved to be true in trial..I don't care about the vd's being "outted"....as much as I've ALWAYS cared about the fact as parents of a murdered child were getting attacked. Just because I didn't join the "vd's are disgusting bandwagon" doesn't mean that I was defending them. We didn't know at the time if what RR was reporting was true. OTOH, I also felt that entirely too much devotion was given to this topic.

I have to quote myself from a freepmail I just wrote. It saves time and fingers....

"There is no one that can disagree with your comments about the VD's. Their "private" behaviour is disgusting and filthy... but even more, they've brought on way too much publicity, thereby distracting from the actual problem. Does this mean we need govt in the bedrooms of US citizens? Does this mean the US will now make laws against extra-marital affairs? Does this mean it will now be a crime?

On the other hand, the images on DW's computer are IMHO worse...the rape scene of the little girl was real and disgusting....a child was harmed and all people can talk about is brenda watching her husband have consensual legal sex w/a 3rd party "

Doughty, do I fault people for wanting to focus on their consensual sex lives? NO...the parents have been proven in trial to be morally bankrupt, disgusting and are bad role models.

Do I find it distressing that at the present time (at least for some) it outweighs the evidence being collected from DW's property..I'm not sure. It's bothersome..but not distressing. This is the beginning of the trial, and I'm confident that as time goes on, more evidence will be revealed, and I'm sure the focus, at least on FR will be on the evidence that is collected... Remember, the gag order prevented the media from getting many details...so as time goes on..we may find out that the evidence collected in the VD home may be worse than expected. I think the gag order prevented it from being revealed.

You asked What does a child think when they find dad kissing a woman other this their mother? Do they think that it's okay because they've grown up seeing that over and over?, I too am curious as to if they've ever gotten "caught" doing any of the admitted behaviours by the kids..

Why wouldn't he check on his kids as a matter of procedure?

Because he didn't have to. He knew what he would find.

The Forensic Dentist said there was no evidence of trauma to the root system. So they could have been removed by animals. The good Dr. didn't really change his testimony from the PH, and fall in line.