Posted on 06/01/2002 6:23:27 PM PDT by TLBSHOW
Edited on 09/03/2002 4:50:35 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
WASHINGTON -- Occasional grumbling by some prominent conservatives about President Bush sometimes overshadows his extremely solid support among stalwart Republicans and conservatives around the country.
Many Republicans and Democrats seem to agree that support by itself does not tilt the 2002 elections toward the GOP. Some, however, say it could offset the gains the party out of the White House -- Democrats, in this case -- historically has made in midterm elections.
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So you say. - Why is this such an important point to you? -- But many others, who know these people personally, have told me different. There is still a lot of hate out in the AFholes.
They don't have to. No big deal, no one around here, especially Jim, is losing sleep over their absence. Just don't pervert the historical record.
No one is 'perverting' anything. As you say, why bother?
This statement needs to be repeated... and repeated... and repeated... til everyone gets sick of hearing it. It is one very true political fact of life.
If even some of those who originally supported Bush don't vote for him in the next election, then by definition that's an erosion of his original base, which must be made up by others or he will lose: he won through the electorial college, which means his overall victory was very slim.
For myself, I've never *smeared* Bush. I've said I didn't like so and so policy and described why I didn't like it. That's not smearing, in my book. Yet people on this thread are treating me as if I were some sort of Bush-hater, even though I've never commented on my feelings for Bush personally, mainly because I don't have any strong feelings for him one way or the other.
So, maybe *you* could explain to me how, if we accept that *some* of the people who voted for him and now say they wont are speaking the truth, how Bush could be holding his base. I honestly want to understand this.
Tuor
It is really scary to setting at your computer, sober under no influences and have a pig fly by shouting, "I will never vote for GW again!"
So I decided that it was time to go bed. So far this morning no flying pigs. The only thing flying is our American Flag which I put up this morning.
You're not implying that Bush is somehow stopping you from praying anywhere/anytime you please, are you? I can pray anywhere and anytime I please. Why can't you?
You were honest and right up front that you didn't vote for him. I respect you for that.
During the 2000 election, the mantra of some third party people was that we will never vote for GW because of what his dad did for us. They didn't vote for GW. Then shazam in 2001, they start threatening him/us that they will never vote for him again even if he said the sun will rise in the east and set in the west. In about 3 weeks, it lost any impact with those of us who did vote for GW, worked to elect him, fought to keep the Goron from stealing the election and will vote for him in 2004! They hollered "Wolf" too many times.
Many on this board claim that they will never vote for GW again, and then in a lapse, they admit that they didn't vote for him.
One of the realities of life that comes with maturity if we allow it to come, is the realization that you can never lose anything that you never had. It might have been nice to have had it, but since you didn't have it, you didn't lose it. Mature people don't worry and fret about losing something they never had. Others spend their lives as depressed and miserable people over losing something that they never had.
The stats show that if all of the active third party conservatives don't vote for GW in 2004, they will have nada impact. GW did not have their vote in 2000 like he didn't have your vote in 2000.
GW has picked up huge support with the Jewish American voters who have been for a large part an in the pocket vote for the Rats. A rat poll recently completed in Kalifornia, showed that GW would beat Goron if the election was held today. California alone going to GW would insure defeat for the Rat candidate in 2004. Loss of the Jewish America vote is a massive loss of votes and money for the Rats.
Out here we are seeing a huge turn around of the soccer moms since 9/11. They have become pro GW supporters and increase in their conservative outlook on a regular basis. They don't want their children killed for political reasons from the Islamic terrorists or those in America trying to win an election or for spite by trying to bring down their President.
Have a good day. I will be limited to my time here as our Grand Daughter is having her 3rd birthday party. Tough duty, but we will be helping set up the party, watching 20 kids from 1 to 5 and cleaning up after the party.
That *is* tough duty. ;)
Thank you for the explanation. I wasn't around here much during the last election, so I wasn't aware of this phenomenon.
I'll just add that I hope that Bush lives up to your expectations. No matter what else happens, he will be a president long remembered.
Tuor
You posted this ebonic like trash:
I'm glad to meet a teenager who has no let their liberal education rub of on them.
So, when did you come to FR from DU, the day you got home after flunking out of college and their basic English Classes? Your parents must be so proud of you!
Robinson's Maxim: If you vote for anyone other than a Republican you are supporting a Democrat.
106 posted on 3/18/02 11:53 PM Pacific by Jim Robinson
This is reality in our cultural war against the Rats. Rats, who would destroy our families to push their dark side agendas and to stay in power.
It seems to me that your group must be praying in a way that interferes with the public if you have been stopped or told to move along. So long as you use a bit of common sense and courtesy of others, I see no reason why your group would not be allowed to pray in public places.
That means, don't create a scene or block the passageway of others or loiter for an extended period of time.
If a group decides to pray in a public place and they do so in conversational tones and don't block the paths of other citizens, you'll be just fine.
Now, if you scream your prayers and have your group block the path of citizens, then you're in the wrong. Any group screaming in a public place or blocking the public from passing, whether they're praying or doing anything else, would be in the wrong. I suspect that it's not the act of praying that got you in trouble; but your behavior in the way that you went about it.
If you are arrested for praying in a way that is courteous to people who are not part of your group, then you have good grounds for a lawsuit.
106 posted on 3/18/02 11:53 PM Pacific by Jim Robinson
This is reality in our cultural war against the Rats. Rats, who would destroy our families to push their dark side agendas and to stay in power."
Bump it once again.
"Robinson's Maxim: If you vote for anyone other than a Republican you are supporting a Democrat.
106 posted on 3/18/02 11:53 PM Pacific by Jim Robinson
Grampa Dave's comments on Jim's Great Maxim: This is reality in our cultural war against the Rats. Rats, who would destroy our families to push their dark side agendas and to stay in power."
If you prefer a Czar and Tass than step into the Time Tunnel.
A difference of opinion in the President's performance thus far should not be confused with "sacriledge" or "blasphemy". Pass it on.
Now I know what Jefferson and Adams must have gone through.
Tex, I find it incredible that you would focus your verbal assault on Randy Weaver yet say NOTHING about the Murderous Federal Agents that set him up then ASSAINATED his wife and kid. Are you implying that Randy Weaver got what was coming to him and the Feds were merely doing their job?
There's a sitting president enjoying the highest (and longest sustained) approval ratings of any president since such numbers have been tracked, and yet some here are trying to convince us not to believe our lying eyes, that what we can clearly see isn't the truth.
The approval rating that Bush is enjoying tells you that people who didn't support him during the election, people who didn't support him then, support him now...in addition to those who suppported him at that time.
Is there an erosion? Perhaps, but not from his base, and that's clearly evident. You can't consider yourself his base if you voted for him reluctantly, and are willing to bail out midstream.
The erosion comes from those fringe voters who are completely out of touch with the reality of today's government, people who believe that electing "their guy" will somehow neutralize the Democrats, and Daschle and company will simply fade away into obscurity while "their guy" sits in the Oval Office writing one EO after another, outlawing everything from public schools to decaffeinated coffee, and who will, by the sheer strenght of his convictions, stop women from having abortions, and turn California into a bastion of conservatism.
I'm not going to detail the progress that's been made with Dubya in office to you guys, that would be preaching to the choir.
We know we are on the right track, and if the polls don't make that sufficiently clear, the rantings and ravings of the opposition does.
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