The Great Attractor: Immigration and limiting it.

National Review Online ^ | May 28, 2002 | John Derbyshire

[eleni121]

I do not disagree with your sentiments concerning the high numbers of immigrants, especially illegal ones although that topic is complex. Derbyshire was saying that but he was also sneaking in some dense racialist drivel. I was mainly responding to that.

[Ohioan]

we have considerably less time to sort out a rational immigration policy. Perhaps we should at least start talking about it.

Yes, we certainly should. And the talk should be totally frank, without the politically correct absurdity that it is somehow wrong for people to prefer their own kith and kin to others. The Leftist denial of normal patterns of human identification has long since reached socially pathological levels. I can think of no rational basis for anyone to continue to defer to their absurd bias, against all past human experience, on this subject.

Let us discuss Immigration, and space, and the nature of settlement; and how different human stocks respond to situations that are important to Americans. Let us do so without rancour or hostility towards anyone but the Leftist demagogues and the dysrons who support them; but let us put a stop to the disintegration of the social order. (See Immigration & The America Future.)

William Flax

[sweetliberty]

A very interesting article and analogy, particularly coming from a recently naturalized immigrant.

[sweetliberty]

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By how tightly the tablecoth is wrapped around their heads?

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[sweetliberty]

"It is insane otherwise."

You insensitive racist pig. What about their human right to live better at our expense? < / sarcasm >

[sweetliberty]

"The Leftist denial of normal patterns of human identification has long since reached socially pathological levels."

Very well put!

[Phillip Augustus]

Oh yes there will be! Some, anyway. Russia, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, the Czech Republic, Slovokia, Serbia, and many others. And hopefully the peoples of those nations will have learned from our mistakes when the liberals over there in 2050 begin to babble about the "joys of diversity".

[DoughtyOne]

Russia itself is under severe pressure from China. Evidently China is pulling the same thing on Russia that Mexico is on us. The Chinese are sneaking across the border in large numbers. Some are already talking about Russia becoming a much smaller state as it's estern territory morphs toward a Chinese populace.

As for the other nations you mentioned, for all the good it will do, they just as well be ignored.

[Phillip Augustus]

Russia is indeed threatened by the Chinese encroachment, to say nothing of separatist movement in the Islamic parts of Southern Russia. What you may see is a contracted, but leaner and meaner, Russia in the relatively long-term future. I think the struggle of Russia will not be so much one of Third World immigration, but the revitalization of the spirit of the Russian peoples. The declining birthrate is certainly a negative; the budding re-spiritualization and return to its Christian roots is a positive.

The same can be said of the other Eastern nations of the Continent as well. Ultimately, I believe mass Third World immigration will be the downfall of the West; assuming Russia and Eastern Europe avoid that, I think they will compete with East Asian nations for global supremacy.

I would also add Spain, Portugal, Iceland, and, considering recent developments, possibly Denmark to my list as well.

[DoughtyOne]

If couched right, I believe Russia is a natural ally of ours in the long term. We need to get our own house in order and work with them. I don't see them as devious as the old USSR at all. And I think they are the ones we should be courting instead of China.

Your comments are well taken. I belive that you're on the right track and I do see that Russia might be one of the last white majority nations to go under. It will be interesting to watch things play out. Of course that's providing things remain peaceful, which I'm not inclined to buy into in the long term.

[Reaganwuzthebest]

I do not disagree with your sentiments concerning the high numbers of immigrants, especially illegal ones although that topic is complex.

This whole immigration disaster is frustrating to say the least. I try to reserve my differences of opinion with Congress more than posters, because that's where legislation is made. If we could organize collectively on a national level, that is all who want to reform immigration laws to the work in the nation's best interest, we could vote out the open borders Congressmen and women. If that started happening, our immigration problems would be fixed so quickly we wouldn't have time to blink. Before you know it, the INS would make the IRS look inefficent. Staying in office is all they care about down there Washington DC.