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The Great Attractor: Immigration and limiting it.
National Review Online ^ | May 28, 2002 | John Derbyshire

Posted on 05/28/2002 7:59:27 AM PDT by xsysmgr

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To: xsysmgr
BTTT
21 posted on 05/29/2002 9:21:50 AM PDT by citizen
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To: xsysmgr; madfly
Thanks for the 'Ping', Madfly.

Great post, xsysmgr. I wish all Americans, that were born here, had 1% of this new American's understanding of the dilemma our country faces.

That goes double for our RINO President and that gullible libertarian, Ziglar, that's in charge of the INS.

22 posted on 05/29/2002 10:05:18 AM PDT by 4Freedom
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To: 4Freedom
Very insightful article. Common sense. I wish the Bush Administration would pay attention. They know what's happening, but unfortunately their agenda regarding immigration is opposite of what most Americans want.
23 posted on 05/29/2002 10:27:45 AM PDT by janetgreen
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To: DoughtyOne
As for racism, it doesn't seem to be a problem at all that within the next 30-40 years there will be not one single nation on this planet that will have a white majority populace.

I OFTEN wonder why it is deemed OK to endeavor to shift the ethnic balance in one direction but not another.

Or even to suggest maintaining it in place.

24 posted on 05/29/2002 12:06:49 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: xsysmgr
bttt
25 posted on 05/29/2002 1:35:53 PM PDT by citizen
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To: xsysmgr
Ho hum...These are the same arguments that were being made a hundred years ago as America was flooded by the "swarthy" Southern Europeans who practiced strange forms of Christianity and spoke stranger languages and ate even stranger foods, while flooding the factories with cheap labor infuriating the unionists...etc.

Derbyshire usually has some interesting points to share but this article is...well... so repetitive and simplistic. Immigration should not be about race but Derbyshire pretty much wants a free pass on race whe it comes to who gets in to America. Strange isn't it that not one word is mentioned about security! And yet immigration policy should be about security. That means that NO ideological Muslims need apply! And that means that those seeking refuge from oppressive nations - mostly Muslim but still a few Communist ones namely Cuba - should be welcomed here. I have personally dealt with thousands of immigrants and they are generally more patriotic than native born Americans - all except for the recent (last ten years or so) of Muslims from wherever.

26 posted on 05/29/2002 1:58:12 PM PDT by eleni121
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To: Korth
Do you know much about the Canadian border; how easy do you think it will be to control/patrol it?

Freedom Is Worth Fighting For !!

Molon Labe !!

27 posted on 05/29/2002 2:47:53 PM PDT by blackie
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To: eleni121
That means that NO ideological Muslims need apply!

How would you tell the difference between the ideological muslims and the non-ideological muslims?

28 posted on 05/29/2002 4:33:31 PM PDT by Korth
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To: Korth
How would you tell the difference between the ideological muslims and the non-ideological muslims?

Simply put with an interview with the right questions asked by a competent, knowledgable (hard to find) immigration officer and accurate background information. Within 24 hours I can usually discern what a Muslim believes about Americans and about the west in general. I am not convinced (yet) that all muslims are committed to the destruction of the west. There are plenty of them that are persecuted by their own - Kurds, Sudanese Black muslims, Shiias from iraq, etc. These I see as potential converts to Christianity.

29 posted on 05/29/2002 5:03:07 PM PDT by eleni121
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To: 1234
with the current policies: CALIFORNIA's population became less than 50% white 18 mos ago-are illegals good for the U.S.?

I'm a native Californian of German-Irish heritage. My daughter is half Philippino, and therefore only 50% Caucasian herself. Race has nothing to do with this.

It's about the Law, the Language, and the Culture... Illegals must go.




30 posted on 05/29/2002 5:13:26 PM PDT by Sabertooth
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(((ping))))


31 posted on 05/29/2002 5:14:30 PM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: janetgreen
I suppose it's because most Americans can't give the Bush family a huge, lucrative oil contract in Mexico.
32 posted on 05/29/2002 5:44:17 PM PDT by 4Freedom
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To: Sabertooth
Everybody wants to come to America — had you noticed? And even people who do not actually want to live here are making sure their children have the right to do so.

I think eliminating the provision that a child born in this country is automatically a citizen would be at least a small step in curtailing illegal immigration.

33 posted on 05/29/2002 5:54:35 PM PDT by scholar
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To: eleni121
I would agree with you if we had the same welfare policies we did 100 years ago, not to mention the way affirmative action policies are being practiced.

Also, the Bush Administration is fining businesses if they want their employees to speak English, and Little Tommy Thompson is reQUIRing hospitals provide prfessional translators. This is driving up health care costs.

My grandparents came here from Sicily; my parents speak perfect English (well, New Yorkese). English should be required for citizenship!!

34 posted on 05/29/2002 6:58:39 PM PDT by DLfromthedesert
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To: skeeter
BUMP that good buddy.
35 posted on 05/29/2002 7:52:13 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: Sabertooth
BUMP your PING
36 posted on 05/29/2002 7:54:05 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: eleni121
Derbyshire usually has some interesting points to share but this article is...well... so repetitive and simplistic.

What I thought this writer was trying to say is immigration is one thing, but we're being swamped.

We currently take in a million a year legally. Is that enough, or would you like more? And what about the 10 million or so illegals? What would you do with them?

If Congress had enacted the Jordan Commission's recommendations in 1996, we probably wouldn't even be discussing this issue as much as we are today. It would have brought the legal numbers down to what they were in the eighties, about 500,000. And most importantly, it would have ended Ted Kennedy's disastrous family chain scam, along with tightening up illegal immigration laws. The legislation was killed by RINO's like Spencer Abraham. The "workhorse" considered it his best achievement while in the Senate. Thank God for this country the voters of Michigan thought otherwise. If he were still there, Bush would have already gotten his every demand for amnesties.

I'm not against immigration, I don't think most Americans are. But it needs to be done in moderation so we can assimiliate them. And it needs to be done legally.

37 posted on 05/29/2002 8:24:35 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Sabertooth
Your daughter must be exceedingly beautiful with that combination of genes.
38 posted on 05/29/2002 8:36:29 PM PDT by DLfromthedesert
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To: Sabertooth;all
Better late than never bump.
Shoud we control illegal immigration(?) file that under N for no-brainer. First things first, if we don't get a handle on illegals then doing something about legal immigration is Pi$$ing in the wind.
My question is what do we do (particulaly about youe southern border)? for the most part all I've seen is let build the great wall of china from Brownsville to San Diego and put machinegun bunkers every 30 feet(Hint:NOT GONNA HAPPEN)
Ever notice that we don't have hoards of Canadians pouring across our northern border(never mind that the very idea of Canadian hoard is an oxymoron)? Could it be that it's because there are good paying jobs, freedom, rule of law there? It strikes me that what we (as a nation) should be doing is "encouraging" nations to the south to get their (expletive) act together or risk our "displeasure". It strikes me that the very ones coming across our border are the very ones these countries should be doing all in their power to keep at home, as they are (for the most part) people who want a better life for themselves and their children.

Example, not to long ago you couldn't swing a dead cat on the east coast without hitting an illegal Irish immigrant. Ireland lowered their tax rates and BANG the celtic tiger was born, and the drain of irish immigrating slowed to a trickle.

Now the drugloads and oligarchs running these countries mey not want to give up power, TOO BAD! It strikes me that there has to be any number of people in Mexico/Central america who want to improve their countries and bring "the blessings of liberty to us and our posterity" to their countries.

The point of this little rant is, why don't we try something that might actually work, what do we have to lose, money(we've got plenty of that, prestige(in mexico and central/south america, give me a break). Rich neighbors are good neighbors.

Sabertooth, Thanks for the oportunity to vent.

39 posted on 05/30/2002 7:00:26 AM PDT by Valin
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To: DLfromthedesert
English should be required for citizenship!!

It is insane otherwise.

40 posted on 05/30/2002 3:34:32 PM PDT by eleni121
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