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To: VRWC_minion
Self-righteous haters.

On both sides.

That's wrong and you know it. The women having their picture taken are not haters in any imaginable sense of the word. The simply do not agree with you about the definition of when a human becomes a human. That is a reasonable thing to disagree about.

No, it is these sort of self-righteous haters who can tolerate no disagreement -- who only seek to bring harm to those they disagree with.

I feel sorry for the women who have to face these hate mongers. It is very sad that hate mongers like this exist.

9 posted on 05/28/2002 8:06:18 AM PDT by jlogajan
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To: jlogajan
The women having their picture taken are not haters in any imaginable sense of the word. The simply do not agree with you about the definition of when a human becomes a human

If they disagreed with me about the definition of when life begins they would not be embarrased in the least.

But you are right, hate is too strong. They dislike the life they are carrying so strongly they wish to terminate its existance and are self-righteous when anyone might possibly disagree with them.

12 posted on 05/28/2002 8:29:20 AM PDT by VRWC_minion
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To: jlogajan
No hate here.

The mothers are victims and will have to live with what they have done.

You cannot have a 'difference of opinion' where killing is concerned. We have shaded so many wrongs in this society, soon nothing will be wrong. It will just be your opinion as to what is right or wrong.

Violence and maybe even the actions of these people are wrong. However, think about it. If you absolutely and with no doubt whatsoever, believed that they were murdering babies in that building, what would you do? And that is what they are doing - it is not just a difference of opinion, that is a beating heart and a life.

How do any of us sleep at night - both the ones who are pro-abortion and those of us who are against it and are doing nothing but posting on sites where we know we will be supported by the majority of posters. (The later was aimed at myself.)

15 posted on 05/28/2002 8:37:25 AM PDT by nanny
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To: jlogajan
The simply do not agree with you about the definition of when a human becomes a human. That is a reasonable thing to disagree about.

When what becomes a human?

There is no rational, ontological or scientific basis for re-defining who is a human being, and your self-contradictory use of the word "human" proves it.

Cordially,

30 posted on 05/28/2002 10:08:22 AM PDT by Diamond
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To: jlogajan
Let's get this straight -- taking a picture is hate speech? Taking a picture (i.e. JOURNALISM) is hate? Better be careful then. You shouldn't read or sanction any kind of expose`s on companies or groups in your local newspaper. After all, they have photos and have definite opinions, some of which might inspire violence or protests...
35 posted on 05/28/2002 10:19:58 AM PDT by =Intervention=
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To: jlogajan
That's wrong and you know it. The women having their picture taken are not haters in any imaginable sense of the word. The simply do not agree with you about the definition of when a human becomes a human. That is a reasonable thing to disagree about.

No, it is these sort of self-righteous haters who can tolerate no disagreement -- who only seek to bring harm to those they disagree with.

I feel sorry for the women who have to face these hate mongers. It is very sad that hate mongers like this exist.

Couldn't agree with you more!

56 posted on 05/28/2002 11:10:42 AM PDT by Bump in the night
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To: jlogajan
"That is a reasonable thing to disagree about."

Only if your idol is Dr. Joseph Mengele.


63 posted on 05/28/2002 11:19:15 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: jlogajan
That's wrong and you know it. The women having their picture taken are not haters in any imaginable sense of the word. The simply do not agree with you about the definition of when a human becomes a human. That is a reasonable thing to disagree about.

It's not about hate. It's about right and wrong and what America stands for.

Women having their pictures taken generally know when life begins. That's why the most potent weapon in the abortion debate is a sonogram. In a pro-life clinic, the imaging screen is turned toward the mother and she is shown the features of the baby her body is nurturing. In the abortion clinic the imaging screen is turned away from the mother and she is told there really is no baby. But if you let her look at it herself, usually she will decide not to abort. Of course, such informed consent is dangerous to the abortion mill cash-cow.

But, regardless of all this, there is no hate for the protestor toward the mother. Toward the doctor, perhaps, but not the mother. And the mother doesn't hate the protestor, although she wishes he weren't there to cause the pain. The press does, perhaps, but not the mother. Shalom.

69 posted on 05/28/2002 11:24:54 AM PDT by ArGee
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To: jlogajan
That is a reasonable thing to disagree about.

What is the best movie of all time? What is your favorite ice cream? What is the meaning of life? What is love?

Those are reasonable subjects about which people may disagree. Why, the answers are subjective. It simply is not acceptable to me when people posit this notion about reasonable people disagreeing on abortion.

I think it is more accurate to say that those who believe these pre-born children not to be human are unable to reason. I don't agree with the tactics of many "pro-lifers." And, I question the legality of using someone's representation without their permission. (Though I would suggest that appearance on a public street would weaken that argument, as would use of such a picture for political speech, rather than commercial profit.) Those issues are interesting to me.

I will say that I am not surprised that some people will use any tactic. In the minds of the anti-abortionists, abortions kill 1.4 million defenseless children each year in this country. Saddam, Hitler, and Stalin would be proud. One cannot believe that children are being killed, and then simply accept that reasonable people should disagree.

The Courts have improperly fashioned a non-existent right to an abortion. They have attacked the the right of protesters to protest at homes and at clinics, and the left has slowly choked off the debate on this issue. That some take to methods I would not use, does not surprise me.

But, if it isn't a baby, and it isn't a bad thing to do, why be ashamed?

Hopefully, in the future, the folly of abortion on demand and the killing of pre-born children will be ridiculed as humanities great sin of our time. One day, we will look back at abortion and loathe it and our so-called advanced society for accepting it. And those who defend the practice so passionately, and at times even eloquently, will be judged the same as those who found arguments to support slavery.

On this, you are wrong. Reasonable people cannot support abortion.

126 posted on 05/28/2002 12:40:30 PM PDT by Iron Eagle
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To: jlogajan
The simply do not agree with you about the definition of when a human becomes a human. That is a reasonable thing to disagree about.

Wrong. Whether or not jelly beans taste good is a reasonable thing to disagree about. The definition of life is fixed by objective scientific criteria; it is no more reasonable to "disagree" about that than, say, the notion that the earth is flat.

134 posted on 05/28/2002 12:54:49 PM PDT by Sloth
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