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Abortion Protesters Use Cameras, Raise New Legal Issues, Lawsuits
The Wall Street Journal ^ | Tuesday, May 28, 2002 | YOCHI J. DREAZEN

Posted on 05/28/2002 7:10:25 AM PDT by TroutStalker

Edited on 04/22/2004 11:46:33 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

DENVER -- As soon as he saw the blue minivan turning into the parking lot of Planned Parenthood's small abortion clinic here, Kenneth Scott grabbed his digital camera, clambered up his rickety metal ladder and started snapping pictures.

"You'll have nightmares about this day the rest of your life," he bellowed, photographing the blond woman gingerly leaving the minivan. Then he turned his camera to her escort. "Your sin won't be hidden or forgotten," he screamed.


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abortion
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1 posted on 05/28/2002 7:10:25 AM PDT by TroutStalker
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To: TroutStalker
The site, Abortioncams.com, which Mr. Horsley claims gets almost two million hits a month, marks a tactical shift by the antiabortion movement.

This doesn't mark a tactical shift by the movement, it marks a new, and in my opinion rather questionable, technique by two people and a few imitators. Like any revolutionary "movement," pro-lifers represent a spectrum of opinions and methods, from the prayerful to the half-dozen unfortunate people who have resorted to violence. I think this lead-in is calculated to appeal to the pro-aborts among WSJ's readers and stir them up.

Unfortunately the Wall Street Journal is pro-abortion, in its conservative editorial pages as well as its left-wing news staff. They are thoughtful on other issues, but not on this one. Hopefully they will think better of it some day.

2 posted on 05/28/2002 7:22:49 AM PDT by Cicero
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To: TroutStalker
One thinks the precedent for a number of these issues has already been set by Megan's Law.
3 posted on 05/28/2002 7:33:43 AM PDT by Eala
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To: TroutStalker
Self-righteous haters.
4 posted on 05/28/2002 7:40:24 AM PDT by jlogajan
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To: TroutStalker
If an abortion is just normal everday treatment why be all upset if someone wants your photo ? Don't we have cams recording everything everywhere ?
5 posted on 05/28/2002 7:46:36 AM PDT by VRWC_minion
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To: TroutStalker
Interesting article. Apparently, those in favor of killing inconvenient unborn children don't want anyone to know about it, when they do it. They don't seem too proud, they don't seem to be "celebrating their freedom," do they? Wonder if they don't believe their own propaganda....?
6 posted on 05/28/2002 7:46:37 AM PDT by Judith Anne
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To: jlogajan
Self-righteous haters.

On both sides. Those wanting babies to die and those trying to stop them.

7 posted on 05/28/2002 7:51:09 AM PDT by VRWC_minion
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To: jlogajan
Who? The baby killers?

My dad's office was above the abortion clinic. The protesters were there on Tuesdays and Thursdays. One time, I went to see him with my girlfriend. When we came to the clinic door, she grabbed the handle, the protesters yelled and we kept walking past. It was pretty funny at the time.

8 posted on 05/28/2002 7:54:34 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: VRWC_minion
Self-righteous haters.

On both sides.

That's wrong and you know it. The women having their picture taken are not haters in any imaginable sense of the word. The simply do not agree with you about the definition of when a human becomes a human. That is a reasonable thing to disagree about.

No, it is these sort of self-righteous haters who can tolerate no disagreement -- who only seek to bring harm to those they disagree with.

I feel sorry for the women who have to face these hate mongers. It is very sad that hate mongers like this exist.

9 posted on 05/28/2002 8:06:18 AM PDT by jlogajan
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To: Judith Anne
Wonder if they don't believe their own propaganda....?

Of course they don't. They never did. Those who have most fervently pushed abortion have always treated it as a shameful act.

10 posted on 05/28/2002 8:16:25 AM PDT by exDemMom
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To: exDemMom
Wonder if they don't believe their own propaganda....?

Of course they don't.

No, of course not, only the self-rightous can believe their own rhetoric, everyone else is just a tool of Satan, yada yada yada

11 posted on 05/28/2002 8:20:24 AM PDT by jlogajan
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To: jlogajan
The women having their picture taken are not haters in any imaginable sense of the word. The simply do not agree with you about the definition of when a human becomes a human

If they disagreed with me about the definition of when life begins they would not be embarrased in the least.

But you are right, hate is too strong. They dislike the life they are carrying so strongly they wish to terminate its existance and are self-righteous when anyone might possibly disagree with them.

12 posted on 05/28/2002 8:29:20 AM PDT by VRWC_minion
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To: VRWC_minion
I expect statements like this from the same people who protest surveillance cameras for security purposes. People either have a right to privacy or they don't. You can't have it both ways.

By the way, a hemoroidectomy is a legal medical procedure. Do you want pictures on the web of you going in for that procedure?

13 posted on 05/28/2002 8:30:38 AM PDT by History is truth
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To: History is truth
Do you want pictures on the web of you going in for that procedure?

Hey, yeah, let's take pictures of people going into a weightloss clinic and post their pictures on the web -- we could call the site "God hates fatties too."

14 posted on 05/28/2002 8:33:38 AM PDT by jlogajan
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To: jlogajan
No hate here.

The mothers are victims and will have to live with what they have done.

You cannot have a 'difference of opinion' where killing is concerned. We have shaded so many wrongs in this society, soon nothing will be wrong. It will just be your opinion as to what is right or wrong.

Violence and maybe even the actions of these people are wrong. However, think about it. If you absolutely and with no doubt whatsoever, believed that they were murdering babies in that building, what would you do? And that is what they are doing - it is not just a difference of opinion, that is a beating heart and a life.

How do any of us sleep at night - both the ones who are pro-abortion and those of us who are against it and are doing nothing but posting on sites where we know we will be supported by the majority of posters. (The later was aimed at myself.)

15 posted on 05/28/2002 8:37:25 AM PDT by nanny
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To: History is truth
I expect statements like this from the same people who protest surveillance cameras for security purposes. People either have a right to privacy or they don't. You can't have it both ways.

I don't protest surveillance cameras. I know how often I am being filmed. If you search for cams on the internet you might be surprised how much we do is being "televised" as we go about our daily tasks.

By the way, a hemoroidectomy is a legal medical procedure. Do you want pictures on the web of you going in for that procedure?

I really could care less.

16 posted on 05/28/2002 8:38:45 AM PDT by VRWC_minion
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To: jlogajan

That was pretty disingenuous of you. How do you know? Maybe they just don't like the thought of inconvenient babies' skulls being crushed for money.

17 posted on 05/28/2002 8:39:21 AM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: nanny
We have shaded so many wrongs in this society, soon nothing will be wrong. It will just be your opinion as to what is right or wrong.

Well stated, bravo! So killing of the uborn or the barely born is now "difference of opinion when life begins"? With euthanasia there is also "difference of opinion when life ends." Nutting but differences of opinion among educated people. It's all so relative, isn't it, and we're supposed to "celebrate our differences" and be "non-judgemental", aren't we? There is another name for these phenomena: decadence.

18 posted on 05/28/2002 8:47:12 AM PDT by Revolting cat!
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To: Judith Anne
Abortioncams.com is down. "Document contains no data"
19 posted on 05/28/2002 8:47:22 AM PDT by LarryLied
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To: nanny
However, think about it. If you absolutely and with no doubt whatsoever, believed that they were murdering babies in that building, what would you do? And that is what they are doing - it is not just a difference of opinion, that is a beating heart and a life.

You bring about an interesting point. Hypothetically, suppose it was't unborn children, but, as an example, jewish people. Suppose that it wasn't illegal to kill jewish people and you knew that they were doing that inside the "clinic". If you truly believed in your heart that this was wrong, wouldn't you try everything in your power to stop it? Or what if it was black people, or red-headed people, or whatever? Hopefully you would try to save these peoples' lives.

I know this is a wild example, but I think it illustrates the point. Those of us that believe that there are truly babies being murdered in there, we should be doing more to stop it.

20 posted on 05/28/2002 8:52:54 AM PDT by Frank Grimes
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