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Let Us Pray: A Call for More Orthodoxy, and Latin Mass, for the Troubled Church
The New York Times, New Jersey section (not published online) | May 26, 2002 | Benedicta Cipolla

Posted on 05/26/2002 7:05:39 PM PDT by ELS

Let Us Pray

A Call for More Orthodoxy, and Latin Mass, for the Troubled Church

Jersey City
There was a time in the Roman Catholic Church, a generation ago, when codified rituals and whispered prayers embraced the mysterious power of God. In more recent days, the whispers have been of a more profane nature as Catholics from the occasional congregant to the Pope have wrestled with the painful issue of priests who sexually abuse children.

The ensuing scandal - which is roiling the American Catholic Church as nothing else in its history - has prompted many to call for liberal reform in the church. Yet odd as it may seem on the surface, there is another group of people within the church who are intent on reform of a very different nature, and they recently gathered in Jersey City to participate in a Mass that once united Catholics across the globe.

Traditionalists, as they call themselves, are seeking not less but more orthodoxy in issues of morality and adherence to church doctrine, and are passionate about a liturgy that all but disappeared after the Second Vatican Council.

"The old Latin Mass" said Judith Markenstein, whose husband is a deacon at Holy Rosary Parish here, "gives you a mystical sense of the greatness of God and the smallness of us."

The Tridentine Mass fell by the wayside in the 1960's when the Vatican updated the liturgy - abandoning Latin in favor of the vernacular, encouraging more lay involvement on the altar and turning the priest around to face the congregation.

In 1984 Pope John Paul II allowed the Tridentine Mass to be celebrated, but only under strict conditions. Then in 1988 he issued Ecclesia Dei, which allowed the old rite as long as local bishops gave their permission. Since then, Tridentine Masses have been increasing steadily, if not flourishing. According to the Coalition in Support of Ecclesia Dei, an Illinois-based organization that provides help to parishes interested in starting up a Tridentine Mass, 150 traditional Masses are celebrated each Sunday in the United States and dozens more once or twice a month, up from 60 a week and 40 a month in 1991.

As recently as a week ago, a spokeswoman for the coalition said, 117 of the 201 Catholic dioceses in the United States offered a traditional Latin Mass. One week ago, the Newark Archdiocese became No. 118.

The first Tridentine Mass at Holy Rosary Parish in more than 30 years attracted about 100 people from all over North Jersey. What drew them, many said, was the old rite's sense of transcendence and mystery, contemplative silence mixed with the unison voices of Gregorian chant, the pungent smell of incense and the sprinkling of holy water.

For Ron Colombo, a Hoboken resident, May 19 was a long time coming. Since moving from New York City in 1999, he and his wife, Kim, had traveled 40 minutes each way on Sundays to attend a Tridentine Mass, either back to Manhattan or to Pequannock. When Mr. Colombo heard last summer that the Rev. Kenneth Baker was mulling over the possibility of bringing Latin back to Holy Rosary, he helped the church's pastor, Msgr. Joseph Chiang, to circulate a petition, which eventually made its way to the desk of Archbishop John J. Myers of Newark, whose jurisdiction includes Jersey City.

Nine months later, with the archbishop's permission in hand, new vestments hanging in the sacristy and Latin-English missals, purchased in part with money donated by the Colombos, his legwork came to fruition.

The 30-year-old Mr. Colombo grew up in Queens, a "typical American Catholic," he said. He attended catechism classes, where he learned to "color, share and be nice to people," but little about Catholic dogma, and dutifully attended the post-Vatican II Mass. In 1997, as a law student at New York University, he stumbled by chance upon a Tridentine Mass.

"I could not believe this was my religion," he said. "For all practical purposes, it wasn't."

Crediting the old rite with making him a "true Catholic," he possesses something like the zeal of a convert, pressing to recapture "traditional Catholic culture."

Being a traditionalist, he said, "is not just Mass. It's a mind-set. It's orthodoxy plus culture, an entire milieu of Catholic living."

That milieu includes shunning meat on Fridays even though the church prescribes abstinence only during Lent, praying the rosary and saying grace before every meal.

Robert Phillips, a professor of philosophy at the University of Connecticut at Hartford, said that traditionalists feel that as Catholic liturgy has gone downhill, so have the moral standards of American Catholics, both laity and clergy. "True devotees of the Old Mass are super-orthodox," said Professor Phillips, who places himself in the traditionalist camp, but does not advocate a full-fledged restoration of the Tridentine Rite. Traditionalists "go against many aspects of American Catholicism," he said.

As Kevin Flynn, the 40-year-old master of ceremonies at Holy Rosary's first Mass, put it, "I hope an attachment to the Old Mass also means an attachment to a traditional interpretation of Catholicism. Mass should be the center of your life."

Mr. Flynn, like Mr. Colombo, is uncomfortable with the dilution of the solemnity of the Mass over the past 30 years or so, and feels that it has been overshadowed by debates on church positions like abortion and contraception, which he does not believe are open for discussion.

In the newer Mass, Mr. Flynn and others said, the crucial sense of the sacred, the idea that something central to the faith takes place on the altar, has given way to a more casual approach. The priest facing the congregation "encourages improvisation," said Professor Phillips, relating an anecdote about a priest who interrupted a Mass to inform the congregation that it was his birthday. The New Mass, he said, encourages such ad-libbing because it is celebrated in English, and also because the priest is "looking at the people, and wants to tell them something."

But others find fault with blaming the English-language Mass for moral and liturgical laxity. While the Rev. Neil J. Roy, a theology professor at the Catholic University of America in Washington, acknowledged that improvisation happened more frequently today, he would like to see more reverence in the newer rite, rather than a return to the old one.

Since for most Catholics, Sunday Mass is the first, and often the most constant, component of their faith, traditionalists see the old rite as a first step on the road to a deeper understanding of Catholicism and stricter adherence to its tenets.

"If you can get people into church, and say this is what liturgy is supposed to be, this is about worshipping God, and then we can get them into moral law, abortion, homosexuality, contraception," said Mr. Phillips.

Mr. Colombo agreed. Asking rhetorically how many Catholics use birth control, he said, " I'd like to see those same numbers at a traditional Latin Mass. If we return to the traditional Latin Mass, you are going to have a change in people."



TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: New Jersey
KEYWORDS: catholic; catholicchurch; hoboken; holyrosary; holyrosarychurch; hudsoncounty; jerseycity; latinmass; tradition
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To: Antoninus
The reason that the AmChurch and other Church liberals did not simply adopt the Latin Novus Ordo is that to be liberal is to have an infinite number of itches that allow you no peace and which make one want to share the constant state of irritation with everyone else. If you find peace and repose, they are outraged because you will pay their inflated petty egos no attention. Why the Novus Ordo in the first place, regardless of language?

Liberals want us to think that this is a matter of language. Actually it is a matter of the historic formulas of the Mass itself. For those not old enough to remember the Tridentine Mass culture that was the norm of your ancestors, let me assure you that no one other than itchy liberals was interested in the culture wreckage that is now the norm. It is a quite valid Mass but a cultural abomination, lacking much of a sense of the sacred unless being offered by the most orthodox and competent of priests. The Roman Catholic Church is a profoundly conservative institution and therefore despised by all creatures liberal. The liberals will leave nothing whatever in peace. They crave constant attention to their imbecilic enthusiasms such as We are Church or the libellously named Catholics for a Free Choice or Call to Action or varous idiot "renewal" schemes.

62 posted on 05/26/2002 11:02:55 PM PDT by BlackElk
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To: ELS
Thanks for taking the trouble to post. It was a very fair article, considering its source. The first name of the reporter told a lot. You might want to post more detailed info. about getting to the Church. PATH, but what station in Jersey City, there are a few. How far from the station. Which way to walk after alighting from the station. etc. As you know, I am a convert. The Catholic Church is a good Church, whether Novus Ordo or Traditional, and we must fight to keep it that way.
65 posted on 05/27/2002 6:32:05 AM PDT by frogandtoad
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To: frogandtoad
The first name of the reporter told a lot.

It's interesting that you mentioned that. Fr. Baker told those of us who had gathered after the Mass that her father is a priest! He had been an Anglican priest and the entire family converted to Catholicism. hehe But, yes, Benedicta means blessed. (Cipolla means onion.)

66 posted on 05/27/2002 6:42:34 AM PDT by ELS
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To: ELS
Thanks, and a bump back! Askel was asking last week if I'd seen any of the pix you took at ConSpiratio. If they came out and are presentable, I'd love to see them, and I'm sure Askel would too.
67 posted on 05/27/2002 7:06:09 AM PDT by Romulus
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To: frogandtoad
You might want to post more detailed info. about getting to the Church. PATH, but what station in Jersey City, there are a few. How far from the station. Which way to walk after alighting from the station. etc.

You can exit the PATH at the Pavonia/Newport station or the Grove St. station. I haven't walked from the Pavonia/Newport station, so I can't give detailed directions from there. From the Grove St. station, one should head northwest on Newark Ave. Essentially you can turn right on any of the north/south roads and then turn left when you reach 6th St. The church is at 344 6th St. between Monmouth and Brunswick Streets.

The address for Holy Rosary Church is 344 6th St., Jersey City, NJ 07302. If you go to Mapquest or MapsOnUs you can get a detailed map of the roads near and an accurate estimate of the distances between the PATH stations and the church.

68 posted on 05/27/2002 7:07:31 AM PDT by ELS
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To: Romulus
I haven't even seen any of the pix I took at ConSpiratio! The primary roadblock has been my computer. It has gotten flaky and I need to make more space available on my hard drive (4 gig just isn't what it used to be...). I was trying to fix things for a while then slacked off. This is my cue to get moving again. I really do want to get them posted online. I apologize for not getting them posted sooner.
69 posted on 05/27/2002 7:14:11 AM PDT by ELS
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To: sinkspur
Latin doesn't equal holy, pal.

Same as 'pro multis' doesn't equal 'for all'.

70 posted on 05/27/2002 7:28:54 AM PDT by grammarman
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To: Goldhammer
Beautiful and majestic, indeed.
71 posted on 05/27/2002 8:40:00 AM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: Dajjal
Plus, the present scandal demonstrates just how out of touch the bishops are regarding the wishes of the laity. We request the Latin Mass and are ignored;

As I recall it -- and I was old enough to know what was going on -- no one except the liberals chattering about "listen to people" ever wanted the Mass changed. Most people I knew or knew of were dragged kicking and screaming; some stopped going to Mass "until the real Mass comes back."

72 posted on 05/27/2002 9:48:35 AM PDT by maryz
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To: B Knotts
How easy was it for you to catch on to the different ways things are done in the old Mass?

I'm old enough to remember the old Mass, but when I went to the indult Tridentine Mass last week for the first time, the church provided Latin-English booklets that appeared (I was using my own Missal but I could sort of see those near me) to have explanations and instructions as to when to stand, etc.

73 posted on 05/27/2002 9:58:13 AM PDT by maryz
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To: Goldhammer
Pretty much everything in the latin mass (both Tridentine and Novus Ordo) has that quality. It is generally true for the corpus of church latin pertaining to liturgy, prayer, devotion, and chant.

Latin seems to my ear to be more suited to chant -- I've heard English words set to chant, but there are always a lot of awkward spots. Without having done an actual analysis, I think this stems from, among other things, the fact that English lost declension and conjugation endings after the Middle Ages, leaving it with a lot one-syllable nouns, verbs and adjectives. Most Latin monosyllables are prepositions. It affects the rhythm.

Chant is descended from synagogue chant -- and Biblical Hebrew also has few monosyllables. (While we're on Hebrew, note that orthodox Jews insist that to lose Hebrew is to lose Jewish identity -- they point out as an example that the Jewish community of Alexandria, which went to Greek, dissolved, while the Jerusalem community, retaining Hebrew, didn't.)

74 posted on 05/27/2002 10:12:34 AM PDT by maryz
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To: grammarman
Same as 'pro multis' doesn't equal 'for all'.

And 'Credo' doesn't equal 'We believe,' and 'sabaoth' (from tsva'ot = 'armies' or 'hosts') doesn't equal 'power and might.'

75 posted on 05/27/2002 10:19:20 AM PDT by maryz
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To: maryz; Goldhammer; ELS; frogandtoad; Romulus; yendu bwam; Askel5; Polycarp; saradippity
On Sunday our family attended a Maronite-rite parish for the Holy Qurbana. A Maronite priest who is a friend of my parents was the visiting preacher. The Maronite Liturgy is out of this world. When they get to the Consecration in the Canon it is in Aramaic. It always takes my breath away to hear Our Lord's own language in worship.

It is not impossible to have a beautiful Mass in English. The Anglican Use Latin-rite parishes in the US do so at every Mass. One can only pray that the Third Edition translations are elegant and accurate. I would love to see how a team assembled by Joseph Pearce would translate the Mass into English. And how much better it would be for us to have Msgr. Ronald Knox's New Testament as the version read at Mass.

I think the Novus Ordo is very useful for Weekday and low Masses. But for a Solemnity or on Sunday nothing inspires me like the 'Tridentine' Mass.

76 posted on 05/28/2002 10:05:43 AM PDT by Siobhan
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To: Siobhan
But for a Solemnity or on Sunday nothing inspires me like the 'Tridentine' Mass.

Thanks for the post. Where can one go to find out where the Tridentine Mass is held?

77 posted on 05/28/2002 10:09:56 AM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: yendu bwam
Good question. My guess is that your Chancery should be able to tell you where you can find an Indult Mass in your area.
78 posted on 05/28/2002 10:13:13 AM PDT by Siobhan
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To: yendu bwam; siobhan
Global Registry of Latin Masses
79 posted on 05/28/2002 10:18:07 AM PDT by Romulus
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To: yendu bwam
If you click on the link for the Coalition in Support of Ecclesia Dei I provided in the article, and then scroll to the bottom of the page, there is a link to a directory of approved traditional Latin Masses.

There is also a directory of independent traditional Latin Masses available at Traditio.

80 posted on 05/28/2002 10:21:01 AM PDT by ELS
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