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INS Confirms 'Act of War' Committed at U.S. Mexican Border
The Sierra Times ^ | 05. 22. 02 at 12:27 Sierra Time | J.J. Johnson

Posted on 05/22/2002 1:26:22 PM PDT by archy

INS Confirms 'Act of War' Committed at U.S. Mexican Border

Report By J.J. Johnson
Published 05. 22. 02 at 12:27 Sierra TimeLatest Border Incursion

American Patrol Photo

Ajo, Arizona - The Immigration and Naturalization confirms A U.S. Border patrol Agent was fired upon Friday five miles inside the U.S. Border, increasing the calls for citizens to take direct action to halt what a U.S. Border Patrol agent called "an act of war." This is one of 21 border incursions that have taken place over the last year.

According to a U.S. Border Patrol Agent, the Tohono O'odham Police Department encountered a Mexican military incursion on Friday, May 17, 2002 at approximately 8:30 PM along the Santa Cruz trail inside the Papago Farms border patrol area, just south of Forest Road 21.

The unnamed agent spotted three Mexican soldiers in a Mexican Humvee on U.S. soil and was attempting to leave the area when the rear window of his vehicle was apparently shattered by gunfire. "The agent was leaving the area in an effort to avoid a confrontation" with the Mexicans, according to Lori Haley, and INS spokeswoman.

"I cannot in good conscience stand by and watch another incursion along our border take place," said U.S. Rep Tancredo (R-CO). "Unless we open our eyes and recognize that what's happening along the U.S. Mexico border is real, one of our guys is going to get killed.

The U.S. Border Patrol Agent, who wishes to remain anonymous, informed Rep. Tancredo during a phone conversation that approximately five miles north of the U.S./Mexico border, one the "GS-11" agents out of the Ajo border patrol station noticed a military helicopter flying overhead, heading south towards Mexico. Shortly thereafter, he came upon a humvee, which not only began to approach him, but to fire upon his vehicle. According to the agent's testimony, the vehicles rear window and back driver's side windows were destroyed. Fortunately, the agent was able to flee the incursion unharmed and concluded the conversation by stating, "As far as I am concerned, that [incursion] should be an act of war."

With the increase in hostilities now confirmed by the U.S. government, Sierra Times has learned that private citizens are making preparations to deal directly with such incursions in the future. Stay tuned.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: actofwar; aliens; arizona; armedmexicans; azatlan; border; borderpatrol; immigration; invasion; mexicanarmy; reconquista; shooting
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To: Joe Hadenuf
"Scolding like a schoolgirl"--ever heard of it? Good men and good warriors remonstrate or fight, but never name-call. Why do you defend it?
121 posted on 05/23/2002 12:31:52 PM PDT by Pistias
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To: archy
The unnamed agent spotted three Mexican soldiers in a Mexican Humvee on U.S. soil and was attempting to leave the area when the rear window of his vehicle was apparently shattered by gunfire. "The agent was leaving the area in an effort to avoid a confrontation"

Fire the agent. Hire a Marine.

123 posted on 05/23/2002 12:47:00 PM PDT by lowbridge
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To: HangFire; AnnaZ; abigail2; NewDestiny; rebuildus; Cortez; brat; MissAmericanPie; miss print...
bump
124 posted on 05/23/2002 12:48:49 PM PDT by lowbridge
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To: Marine Inspector
>>>He was out gunned and out manned, yet you want him to throw his life away for drugs.<<<

I expect law enforcement officers, including the Border Patrol, to enforce the law! Now that does not entail giving up your life needlessly - neither does it constitute turning tail!

He could have kept his distance and called in backup with superior firepower to the Mexican Humvee.

Which raises the question - if this is happening on a somewhat regular basis - why wasn't our guy a part of a reinforced patrol in the first place.

Because the INS and Border Patrol are not taking border violations seriously!

And you don't know that the 'Mexicans' were bring in drugs... they have been known to smuggle people....some of whom may have names that are not Hispanic and think a repeat of 9/11 might be a good thing!

Worries me a bit that you might be a real inspector - without the requisite attitude.

125 posted on 05/23/2002 12:53:40 PM PDT by HardStarboard
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To: lowbridge
Profile and deport bump.
126 posted on 05/23/2002 12:54:57 PM PDT by Bikers4Bush
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To: Frapster
Why in the world would the Mexican military be hostile to us?

Because they know our government will do nothing?

(Maybe they were looking for the nearest place to vote)

127 posted on 05/23/2002 12:56:25 PM PDT by WhiteGuy
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To: HardStarboard
Mine the border.

The first few that blow up will send a definitive message to the rest.

128 posted on 05/23/2002 12:56:42 PM PDT by Bikers4Bush
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To: freeforall
We as Canada have never had a war with the USA.We have the largest undefended border.Alot of us have relatives in both countries.I do see the petty anti Americanism here but when you confront the average person they say ya most of the world is bad but America is worse than us because we got "free"(if you don't die waiting for it)health care.

Have you forgotten "The Pig War"?

129 posted on 05/23/2002 1:08:43 PM PDT by Politically Correct
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To: Korth
Like I said it's been ten years or more, but I bet maybe I can find it in some news papers archives. I'll try to find it for you guys.
130 posted on 05/23/2002 1:13:54 PM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: Bikers4Bush
We have radar that can see a beer can at 300 miles. Anybody who thinks that the US Government can't control the border if it wants to is crazy. Bet you haven't heard a general notice that any unidentified aircraft flying over the border will be shot down, have you?

The open border follows the first law of politics:

Nothing big and bad goes on for very long unless both sides are dirty.
131 posted on 05/23/2002 1:20:26 PM PDT by Carry_Okie
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To: lowbridge
The unnamed agent spotted three Mexican soldiers in a Mexican Humvee on U.S. soil and was attempting to leave the area when the rear window of his vehicle was apparently shattered by gunfire. "The agent was leaving the area in an effort to avoid a confrontation"

Fire the agent. Hire a Marine.

Check this out before you throw too many stones at that smart, if not fatally brave, border cop. I expect I'd have looked for the best defensive position or all the help I could find, and I'd hope most Marines would too.

Of course, if we can sucker the Mexicans into a minefield, an impact area or beaten zone, or the place where our snipers are waiting, so much the better. Teasing the enemy with live meat worked for Sitting Bull asgainst Custer, and probably for Geronimo anf Juh against the Mes'kins more than a few times.

-archy-/-

132 posted on 05/23/2002 1:26:12 PM PDT by archy
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To: Frapster
Kinda makes you wonder who our media-government complex is working for/with, doesn't it?

My father, God bless him, is a lifelong Republican, has mellowed over the years but is still pretty conservative, and knows good and damn well the mainstream media lie and distort the truth to benefit the liberal DimoCommies. But he still doesn't believe me when I tell him about what's going on along our southern border. If Tom Brokaw doesn't report it, or if it's not on CNBC, it couldn't possibly have happened, as he sees it. Even after eight years of unprecedented corrution and societal degradation at the hands of Klinton, many "conservatives" can't/won't believe how bad things are and continue to get.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

133 posted on 05/23/2002 1:34:10 PM PDT by wku man
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To: Carry_Okie
We have radar that can see a beer can at 300 miles. Anybody who thinks that the US Government can't control the border if it wants to is crazy. Bet you haven't heard a general notice that any unidentified aircraft flying over the border will be shot down, have you?

Unfortunately, the ground surveillance radars still issued to US troops, much less surplussed and made available to FedGov agencies like the border Patrol, are largely still the old A/N PPS-5, generally called the *Pipsy-five* by operators. There are even some of the older Pipsy-four models from the Vietnam era still in use in some National Guard units.

A beer can @ 300 miles? Oh no. not hardly. A tank at 8KM, maybe.

AN/PPS-5B Ground Surveillance Radar Set

The AN/PPS-5B Ground Surveillance Radar Set is a lightweight, man-portable, ground-to-ground surveillance radar set for use by units such as infantry and tank battalions. The radar is capable of detecting and locating moving personnel at ranges of 6km and vehicles at ranges of 10km, day or night under virtually all weather conditions. The radar has a maximum display range of 10,000 meters and targets can be displayed both aurally and visually. Built for durability, the AN/PPS-5B Radar is rugged enough to withstand rough field handling. When packed in its watertight container, it can be parachute dropped and undergo repeated submersion. Increased operational flexibility is afforded when the unit is mounted in a jeep. The system includes everything necessary for operation including 24 VDE external power converter, carrying harnesses, tripod, an adapter for vehicle mounting, four (4) rechargeable batteries (BB-622) and a fifty (50) foot cable for remote operations.

NOTE: The CECOM Supply and Maintenance Bulletin Vol 20, no. 2 Summer 94 provides information for swapping unserviceable AN/PPS-5(A,B) Radars for serviceable ones. Repair is the only source of supply. As soon as one is down, order one through swap out. In order to swap out a radar, the serial number and turn-in document number must be furnished to the Item Manager, Ms. C. Brown DSN 992-5781/2.

TRANSPORTATION CHARACTERISTICS / LIMITATIONS:

HISTORICAL BACKGROUND:

Mar 75 Sole Source to Eaton Corp. - AN/PPS-5A Radar.

May 78 Sole Source to Eaton Corp. - AN/PPS-5B Radar FMS Customer.

Sep 78 Sole Source to Eaton Corp. - AN/PPS-5B Radar.

Oct 89 Sole Source to Telephonics Corp. - AN/PPS-5B Radar FMS Customer.

Apr 94 US Government agreed to accept units built with no-cost warranty against EMI Failures.

Jul 94 Portugal accepted warranty and contract was modified P00053.

The AN/PPS-5 Ground Surveillance Radar is a thirty-five (35) year old system. Since the late 1980's, soldiers have been complaining about the need for a new radar system. The system has been around since the Vietnam War having been designed with 1950's technology. Additional upgrades to the radar have not been executed since the 1970's. Obsolescence of spare parts and a changing work environment have created a desperate need for an improved radar that can be more readily and cost effectively sustained.

A Communications-Electronics Command program that successfully initiated upgrades using the on Modernization Through Spares (MTS) concept is the AN/PPS-5, Ground Surveillance Radar, a 35 year old system which has not been upgraded since the 1970's. It contains over 150 spare parts, many of which are obsolete. The modernization effort will reduce the number of spares to less than 15 and will improve the capabilities of the system. Of the 15 spares for the new version, all but two are Commercial-Off-The-Shelf (COTS)/Non-Developmental Items (NDI). All new spares are being delivered in Intelligent Data format which will prevent obsolescence from becoming an issue and aid in the prevention of sole source commitments. The cost to perform this upgrade will be approximately $15 million. The best known commercially available system would cost over $100 million to re-equip the entire DOD. Additional benefits of the upgrade are an open architecture design, improved maintenance concept, software driven system training requirements, and reduced logistical costs. By combining this effort with the I-REMBASS program, other benefits gained are commonality of assets, training and logistics support as well as common collection of detection data in the field.

THE AN/PPS-5 is one of a number of pilot/mentor programs now being funded under the Acquisition Reform initiatives' seed money. The program is focused on exploiting the latest computer and Digital Signal Processing (DSP) communications technology to extend the life of a currently fielded but obsolete Ground Surveillance Radar. Attempts to procure a new radar system have become a futile effort as the best known commercially available system would cost in excess of $100 million to retrofit your entire fleet. The cost to perform this upgrade will be approximately $15 million.

CECOM determined that through the use of DSP and an aggressive acquisition program it could provide cost savings for the Army as well as meet the needs of the soldier today and in the future. A validated economic analysis was completed and as a result the project plan was approved. to facilitate development of a prototype. The cost savings are best demonstrated by the insertion of new technology which reduced the cost and number of spares(from hundreds to 10 or less). The new technology also allows for a change in maintenance concept which would be two levels (direct, depot support). The contractor provides warranties and will act as the Depot Facility. This change eliminates the current problem of not having a valid maintenance Military Occupational Specialty (MOS) available to support the system and helps facilitate Army downsizing.

134 posted on 05/23/2002 1:35:59 PM PDT by archy
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To: archy
I was talking about an AWACS.
135 posted on 05/23/2002 1:43:26 PM PDT by Carry_Okie
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To: agitator
I think it's time to put a few of these guys on the job.

That wouldn't be hospitable. But as long as the Wartie drivers are around, maybe they could throw a nice welcoming barbecue for our uninvited guests:

Gunsgunsguns:


136 posted on 05/23/2002 1:47:40 PM PDT by archy
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To: Pistias
Lighten up! Remember sticks and stones can break my bones but names can never hurt me!
137 posted on 05/23/2002 1:51:48 PM PDT by Chi-Town Lady
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To: Carry_Okie
I was talking about an AWACS.

If you want to spot ground targets, in order to make them ground-up targets, you'll want to be using a RC135 Rivet Joint or E-8C/Boeing 707 JSTARS air-to-ground surveillance system platform aircraft. Unless you're after the Mexican Air Force- a not entirely unlikely possibility.

-archy-/-

138 posted on 05/23/2002 1:53:10 PM PDT by archy
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To: Politically Correct
You will have to refresh my memory.When and where was the Pig War.
139 posted on 05/23/2002 1:59:01 PM PDT by freeforall
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To: aomagrat
And illegal alien importers...

And terrorists...

And Vincente Fox's absentee voters...

And Cynthia McKinney voters...

What a minute. Aren't all these one & the same?

140 posted on 05/23/2002 1:59:04 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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