Archbishop Refuses Eucharist to Homosexual Activists

CNS News | 5/20/02 | Patrick Goodenough

[ninenot]

Abp. Pell was sent to do a job--and he's doing it.

[MHT]

Wish the US Church had a little more backbone.

Nothing is going to change until they acknowledge that the problem in the US is not just the pedophilia but is rooted in the homosexuality and the expression of this type of sexual urge. However, there are probably so many homosexuals in church leadership that they fear reprisals if the pot calls the kettle black.

[Cicero]

Nothing is to stop Catholic homosexuals from confessing their sins, amending their lives, and receiving Communion to help them stay on the straight and narrow.

But the act of wearing a special gay-activist sash while receiving communion is, ipso facto, an act of defiance of the Church and an insult to Christ. Also, as the old Anglican Book of Common Prayer used to warn, like the Tridentine Mass, anyone who receives Communion unworthily is "eating and drinking damnation unto himself."

It's the same principle as St. Patrick's Day parades. No one is going to stop homosexuals from marching with everyone else, as long as they don't call attention to themselves with political statements or special costumes.

[NetValue]

"Nothing is going to change until they acknowledge that the problem in the US is not just the pedophilia but is rooted in the homosexuality and the expression of this type of sexual urge."

Absolutely right!

But it is good to see somebody willing to stand up and do something. Perhaps it will give others hope and become a movement to take back the Chruch from the evil that has infiltrated it.

[SuziQ]

church leaders had ignored nine written appeals for dialogue over the past five years

These folks are going to have to take their complaints to GOD, the Author of Life. It's not a Roman Catholic Church decision.

[onedoug]

Kelly, a former Franciscan seminarian, attributed the discrepancy to "confusion" in the church hierarchy about how to handle the issue of homosexuals.

And so the participating priests are absolved of responsibility? The "church hierarchy"? As if no divine guidence were at hand.

[Havisham]

The homosexual activists asked for this rebuke. They believe in the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist about as much as they believe in sin. Good on the Archbishop but he's in for a long battle.

[ElkGroveDan]

PING

[hoosierham]

Pell has acted rightly.

[gcruse]

 They believe in the real presence of Christ
in the Eucharist about as much as they believe in sin.

And you know this because you  talked to Jesus
when he popped out of your toaster this morning,
right?

[Scholastic]

I got excited and then I found out that its in Australia. Oh well, at least its someplace.

[Diago]

The Archbishop is great. But this brings up an interesting question. Rainbow sashes are bad enough but what about Catholic Bishops who have large Rainbow Triangles (and decapitated doves) on their Diocesan Websites. Would the Archbishop give Communion to Bishop Pilla?

From the official Diocese of Cleveland Website - Its Gay and Lesbain Logo:

http://www.dioceseofcleveland.org/gayandlesbianfamilyministry/mission/index.htm

[ninenot]

Highly speculative. First, the two are not likely to meet, least of all in Australia. Second, it could be argued that Bp. Pilla did not design, nor emplace the rather gaudy sign you show. Last, it's Pilla's problem--and he's not the ONLY American Bishop with significant problems in their Dioceses....

Note, for example, the claimed 'success' in Rochester, Chicago, NYC...

[glory]

shaking head..How can they even go there asking for forgiveness of thier sins when 1) they don't consider ONE of thier sins a sin against God 2) they have no desire to change what they are doing?

I am not Catholic, I am Lutheran. I go to take communion with a heart for change fully intending to live more Christ like and to go in sin no more. I do fail many times, but I go in with a heart for change. Those rainbow sashers go in direct defiance of God...they don't even have the humility to have shame in thier sin and instead parade it as a badge of honor at the Lord's table. It's really pitiful. May God forgive them.

[Ragtime Cowgirl]

What's confusing about the Bible on this topic? Why wouldn't the church share the evidence of hope and freedom from this destructive lifestyle in Christ, the ugly facts of STDs, violence, shortened life, increased drug abuse of this lifestyle, the studies that show lack of a strong, loving father or an overbearing, or overprotective mother can be factors, as can being sexually abused as a child, especially boys by men. The Bible has an answer for all of these factors. The truth doesn't matter anymore to these "Priests?"

On O'Reilly Factor tonight, a professor of theology, Rev. Richard McBrien, criticized Rome....said that the Vatican was biased against the US, then went on to say that there was nothing wrong with homosexuality....if, he qualified, it was between two concenting adults. ??????Where do they teach this lie?

[saradippity]

Isn't that Mc Brien a piece of work? He belongs to the Church that calls itself Catholic and it isn't. You see how they talk,nothing but lies. They try to act like the Pope doesn't do anything yet time after time the Pope and the Magisterium say that homosexuality is a disorder and to act on it is depraved and a sin.And these bishops of the Amchurch act like they have a veil over their eyes and cotton in their ears and lie and decieve and continnue to commit all kinds of abominations,deeply wounding the Body of Christ.

The worst thing is there are many catholics,who haven't a clue and even worse they continue to blather on thinking that they know what they are talking about.And the final straw is that others think they do. Its like a scene from a nightmare only its the real thing. And,the Church just reflects the way things are right now in this country and in the world. God save us,please!!!!

[sinkspur]

On O'Reilly Factor tonight, a professor of theology, Rev. Richard McBrien, criticized Rome....said that the Vatican was biased against the US, then went on to say that there was nothing wrong with homosexuality....if, he qualified, it was between two concenting adults. ??????

He did not say that. He did criticize Rome for saying that the current crisis is an American crisis, and that there is a certain anti-Americanism in the Vatican. Frankly, that's true.

But, he said that homosexuality is an orientation that, in itself, is not sinful. Homosexual acts are sinful. That is consistent with Catholic theology.

You were "already listening" that he would say what you thought he said, so you didn't actually hear what he said.

[Ragtime Cowgirl]

No, sinkspur. I was trying to be careful NOT to misquote him, or misinterpret his words. He said, I wrote it down, "there is nothing wrong with homosexuality"......and did go on to qualify "between two consenting adults." This was not, "hate the sin but love the sinner." I'll try to find a transcript.

[sinkspur]

No. The "two consenting adults" came in when he made a distinction between homosexual sex between "two consenting adults" and homosexual sex with minors. There is a difference, although even McBrien said that both were wrong.

He said, I wrote it down, "there is nothing wrong with homosexuality"..

This is a true statement, as it applies to orientation.

McBrien can be slimy at times, but he wasn't slimy tonight.