Kindergartener's stripper-mom in church-school flap

WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Thursday, May 16, 2002

[flyervet]

Actually, the churches I've been in would go the extra mile to help this woman if she were willing to forego her lifestyle.

Wow, good for you. You seem to have some aspects of a charmed life! I, unfortunately, have had a very different experience. Most churches I've encountered are unwilling to help even victims of domestic violence, let alone men and women who have created their own problems. And let's be honest, this is exactly what happens with the sex industry. It's a problem these people bring on themeselves.

But of course, that doesn't mean they don't need, and aren't deserving of, help.

[twigs]

Yes, Jesus would have told the mother to "go and sin no more". But He also wouldn't punish the child for the sins of the mother.

I could argue either side for what this school decided to do. But we are raised by a family and in a society. I think it is unrealistic to assume that a child will be unaffected by the sins of a parent. All of us have been affected one way or another by our parent's sins. How could it be otherwise? This mother has been granted a God-given responsibility to raise this child. She does not have a right to squander it and expect the rest of the world to protect her child from her choices. Still, I can see both sides from the school's point of view.

[VRWCmember]

An interesting question, and one I pose to all: which is the more moral choice---working as a stripper, or going on Welfare?

Neither choice is "moral". Furthermore, the question is irrelevant since there are numerous other choices besides "working as a stripper or going on welfare".

[xsmommy]

well when you bring up your anti-church inclination that explains much. we all come to these threads with the prisms of our own experience, and knowing that helps us understand all views.

[lavaroise]

But....You left one thing out.

The Child.

The child is implicitly hostage/supportive to the woman's conduct. Would you let a terrorist live in the US simply because the child over which it has control need an American education? I don't think so.

[twigs]

No charmed life, but I do choose churches carefully! For the most part, I've been a member of PCA--Presbyterian Church of America. I've found them to be realistic concerning people and their inherent sinful nature, yet humble as to their own sinfulness and willingness, therefore, to help others. My one church turned over to police one of its own teachers for fondling a student, then stuck by him for years while he, and the victim, received counseling. Now, they are both back at the church because of how well it was handled. Those churches are out there. Lots of them.

[flyervet]

We have a friend who's a single mom and who put herself through nursing school stripping. We didn't find out until very near the end of her schooling. We were horrified and offered her money to help her stop. She refused, saying she didn't need charity and besides, most of the other strippers had gotten together to provide and share babysitting duties and she didn't feel she could abandon them. She escaped the alcohol and drug abuse that's rife in the sex industry, but she has many sad stories to tell of others who weren't so fortunate.

All in all, stripping is far from ideal employment, but sometimes life hands us tough choices.

[lavaroise]

She does not have a right to squander it and expect the rest of the world to protect her child from her choices</I<

Good point. Assuming the school should accept the child, who is going to enjoy the jurisdiction that will enforce such conduct? Does the government or some other "neutral" organisation has the right to impose on the school and the parent/child a resolution? I do not think that this dispute is a good enough reason to get the government involved lest it starts legislating and treading on grounds on which it has no rights.

[hobbes1]

You propostition is backwards...Would I give the child asylum....Of course.

[hobbes1]

Not to mention comparing stripping to terrorism, is hardly a sound analogy.

Should the School be able to exclude, by virtue of the parents occupation, children of Criminal Defense attorneys?

[lavaroise]

Neither choice is "moral".

Bottom line. Sometime there are no good solutions or no solutions at all. People have to grow up and realize that just as there are unsolvable differential equations, there are unsolvable problems in life. In this case the school would have to have its ways by default of school's maintenance of governance on its grounds.

[VRWCmember]

But....You left one thing out.
The Child.

The school made attempts to accommodate the child. However, for the child to attend the school, the mother must abide by the agreement she signed. It is the mother, not the school, who is "harming" the child.

[Marysecretary]

The cleaning wo/men I know make pretty good money here; more than I do, actually, and I've been here 24 years! Cleaning women (and men) make over $12 an hour doing private cleaning jobs in homes, and probably more than that in post offices and other businesses. So, don't put down cleaning jobs. They can be very good sources of money.

[SCalGal]

I made a bad choice when I got married young. Why should anyone else pay for my mistake?

[bvw]

She escaped the alcohol and drug abuse that's rife in the sex industry, but she has many sad stories to tell of others who weren't so fortunate.

That's what's the big mistake of the woman with the kindergardner. She is pursuing a very hazardous profession, when she is the sole-supporter of her young child. Not much difference between her and a 3rd world chemical plant worker, coming home covered with toxins that the young child, day after day, is exposed to.

Or to you hold to that silly Clinton-era "compartmentalization" theory. Hope not, some things just do not compartmentalize well.

[malakhi]

What she wants to do now, is PAY someone else to teach her morals with MONEY she earned IMMORALLY.

I bet the school still cashed her tuition checks.

[lavaroise]

Not to mention comparing stripping to terrorism, is hardly a sound analogy.

Not true in this case of jurisdiction as opposed to a case of definition to which you refer. Terrorists are not allowed on US soil as per constitutional interpretations against the sharing of jurisdiction with jurisdictional invaders. If per the school's interpretation of its constitution it cannot allow a child of a stripper on its grounds for the same reasons, then the school has every right to wage its own standards.

Should the School be able to exclude, by virtue of the parents occupation, children of Criminal Defense attorneys?

Of course! The school can protect its own cults and private views any which way it sees fit. Should we force black people to hire baby sitters that belong to the KKK? I hope not! Lawyers? They're even worse than the KKK.

[Labyrinthos]

Of course, she probably has no skills at all.

Why would you assume that she has no skills other than exotic dancing? When I was in law school many years ago, I had a dear friend who was putting herself through medical school as a part-time stripper. She made enough money stripping three nights a week (about 12 hours of actual work) to pay her tuition and living expenses with enough left over to take me out to dinner a couple times a month, while leaving herself plenty of time to go to classes and study. The regular exercise also kept her in excellent shape.

Nevetheless, the private school in this particular case is free to set any rule it wants with regard to admission and retention of students, subject to the parents' right to sue for breach of contract. In this particular case, the "committment agreement" between the school and the parent is so ambigiuous and open to subjective interpretation, that it is probably not worth the paper that it is written on.