Posted on 05/13/2002 3:51:13 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
The assassination of Pim Fortuyn, a Dutch rightwing politician who was outspoken against the influx of Muslims into Holland and the rest of Europe, and an opponent of immigration, needs to be seen in the larger context of how the growing Muslim population is having an impact throughout Europe and Great Britain.
Americans tend to pay little attention to other nations unless they pose a threat to our national security. It is doubtful that the average American could tell you much about the politics of Great Britain or European nations. The recent French elections got everyone’s attention because an avowed anti-Semite gained 17% of the vote that led to a run-off and repudiation. His brief moment in the spotlight, however, sent a shiver down the spine of those who recalled or know of the politics of the 1930s that led to World War II.
The United States has officially declared its opposition to three nations designated an "axis of evil", Iraq, Iran and North Korea. Other nations are designated as terrorist states, but European nations remain identified as allies, despite their reluctance to support US foreign policy. Moreover, these nations have formed the European Union in order to acquire more power for their region of the world. Great Britain has flirted with the idea of joining the EU, but so far has resisted.
It may surprise you, therefore, to learn that Muslims are the second largest religious group in England after the Anglican majority. There are some two million Muslims in Great Britain. They are not indigenous to England, being largely newcomers from Pakistan, Bangladesh, and India. Others come from Africa, Asia, and even Europe. The Muslims of England are very diverse in many ways, except for their faith in Islam.
Increasingly, though, demands have grown for education of Muslim children to reflect their religion, for official recognition of the Islamic faith. Native-born Brits are less than thrilled with their growing numbers and demands. Still, a recent poll by Eastern Eye, an Asian newspaper published in the UK, revealed that 87% of the Muslims polled said they are loyal to Britain, even though 64% were opposed to the US-led military action against Afghanistan.
The vote in France for Le Pen, a candidate with extreme right-wing political views, was generated by a growing concern of ordinary, native-born Frenchmen and women regarding their Muslim population and other immigrants. Here again, the fact that some four million Muslims are the second largest religious group in France may come as a surprise; more than half of them are French citizens. They are largely the result of France’s colonial past, especially in the North African region.
Most of the Muslim community in France are from nations called the "Maghreb", Algeria, Morocco, and Tunisia. Others come from Turkey, Senegal, and Mali. Some are converts. Islam has a long history in France. Ironically, the spread of Islam into Europe was ended with their defeat at Poitiers, France, in 732. It would not be until 1683 when Muslims were defeated near Vienna, that further expansion efforts ended in Europe. Now Muslims merely immigrate to European nations.
France’s situation is particularly instructive. Immigration began in earnest in the 1950s, primarily from Maghreb nations. There are some five million Muslims in France. For decades, the religion was largely invisible and Muslims represented the lowest rungs of the economic and social ladder, but second and third generation French Muslims, in the 1990s, underwent a re-conversion of sorts, joining the ranks of radical Islam to seek an identity in a society from which they felt excluded.
This is interesting, too, because, twenty years ago, the demand for official recognition of Islam led to the Charter of Muslim Faith that defined how a French Muslim could remain faithful to both Islam and France. Today, native French citizens tend to regard Muslims as a danger to their society. The French government, however, has seen integration of Muslims into French society as a wiser path than some form of de facto isolation.
Following 9.11 and the US retaliation in Afghanistan, the French magazine for Muslims, La Medina, organized a public meeting to discuss its significance for Islam. In a converted warehouse just north of central Paris, in October, a large crowd of French Muslims, mostly from North Africa, gathered. One speaker was a 39-year-old Swiss professor, Tariq Ramadan, the grandson of a man who founded Egypt’s Islamic revival movement, the radical Muslim Brotherhood, in the 1930s. "Now more than ever, we need to criticize some of our brothers," he told the packed hall. "My dignity depends on saying ‘You are unjustified if you use the Koran to justify murder.’" No doubt his grandfather is doing cartwheels in his grave.
Reportedly, the overwhelming majority of Europe’s Muslims see their religion as a moderate one. There are 12.5 million Muslims throughout Europe and they are in the process of redefining Islam as people born and bred in Europe. This may be the beginning of a much-needed Reformation within Islam that occurred and redefined Christianity after the Dark Ages.
Having noted the Muslim defeat outside of Vienna, Austria in 1683, it would not be until 1878 before Muslims appeared in greater numbers as the result of the annexation of Bosnia-Herzegovina and other territories by the Austro-Hungarian Empire. Currently, Muslims are the third largest religion in Austria and growing. Their numbers doubled between 1981 and 1991. These Muslims are largely immigrants and are often political refugees. The bulk are formerly Turkish and citizens of the former Yugoslavia. The recent Balkan wars drove a lot of Muslims to choose Austria as a homeland. There are also distinct and visible Iranian and Arab minorities as well.
The relationship between Muslim minorities and the State of Austria has been formalized and regulated since 1912 by the Islam Act that officially recognized the religion. It led to the establishment of the Muslim Faith Union in 1979 and Austrians Muslims are taught their faith in public schools with teachers paid by the State. The rise of nationalistic political parties in Austria reflects a concern seen in France. Increasingly, a growing portion of native Austrians are suspicious and fearful of Muslims.
In Poland, chiefly Polish-Lithuanian Tartars, a group estimated between two and three thousand, have lived in that nation for some 600 years. Their small numbers versus the overwhelmingly Catholic Poles has left them largely ignored. Muslims, however, in the post-Soviet Caucasus are a different situation entirely. A growing fundamentalism has, for example, led the Chechyans to use terrorism and war on the Russians to seek a separate nation. The Russians have responded much as the US has in Afghanistan.
Several former Russian provinces, now independent, but allied republics, have large, if not dominant Muslim populations. These include Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Kryghyezstan, and Kazakhstan. Add to this, Albania. The recent Balkan wars were largely religious movements by Muslims and, ironically, the US sided with them and against the Serbians. So did the rest of Europe.
So, now, when you say Europe, it’s wise to keep in mind that the nations that compose it are increasingly home to a growing population of Muslims. Wherever a population of Muslims gains in numbers, they begin to demand autonomy or a change in the governmental structure to reflect Islamic law. This is going to lead to a long religious war, an Islamic Jihad. Not all Muslims will support it, but few can be expected to speak out against it.
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Since Jesus predates Muhammed by more than 500 years, why would God need a Muhammed? Did God make a mistake? Was Jesus lying? If Jesus is the Life, the Truth, and the Way, what reason would God need for Muhammed?
I will tell you. Muhammed is from his Father, the Evil One, Satan. The Islamic faith is a challenge to God, to turn men's hearts' away from the Life, the Truth, and the Way that IS Christ Jesus.
Please, pray to the True God, that you may know his Salvation for ALL men, which is through Jesus, even as Jesus spoke it!!!
What are the fruits of a true Christian? They are Love of God, Love of Brothers, even Love of Enemies, Forgiveness, Humility and Confession of Sins. What are the fruits of the Islamic man? They are Love and Submission to Allah, but also war and death on infidels, execution of those who oppose Islam, death to those who reject Islam.
The Christian faith focuses inward, begging forgiveness of sins, and turning the other cheek to the enemies of God. Jesus was without sin, and was lead as a lamb to slaughter, as was written in Scripture. The Islamic faith demands an outward focus, towards enemies who are hated and murdered, becuase they oppose God. Muhammed killed thousands for Allah, and comensurated his "marriage" to a 9 year old by deflowering her.
No, I don't speak Arabic. English, German some Spanish and some French. I don't need to speak Arabic. If I had a need to speak it- I'd go learn it.
I don't like television. I don't have a television. I don't plan to have a television. But the last time I did sit down and watch a television- it was 9/11/01 and I saw what the Muslims of the World had brought to my country's shores. You declared war on us. I watched on the television as a Muslim man in London sat there and told the BBC that America had it coming and it was legitimate what the Muslims had done that day. I watched as people celebrated in the streets in Palestine and passed out candy. I understand why you wouldn't want me to watch television- it doesn't show a very pretty picture of your savage world and brethren.
Go ahead dude- rant scream- death to the Great Satan! and all that. Your days on this Earth are numbered. Your culture has conquered itself by its savagery. You have invited a curse on the heads of your children. Islam will be a small chapter in the history books one day- nothing more. Your culture is in the process of being ground to dust in the machinery of time.
I remind Freepers to read this thread Understanding Arabic Culture if you haven't. The main post isn't long and it can be very helpful for those unfamiliar with the basics of Arabic culture. Also, get to know "Taqiyah" and the "Signs of Qimayah" -- I'm pinging Dajjal for that.. Blessed be the Lord God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Blessed be the God and Father of Our Lord Jesus Christ.
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Never turn your back on these people.
Something many nations have learned to their great regret.
I suspect that, as the numbers of Moslems approach a critical mass in European countries, the ruling elites will find some excuse to either end democratic norms, or render them a meaningless formality. Already, a lot of power in Europe is in the unaccountable European Union bureaucracy in Brussels.
The basic reason Europe turned democratic in the late 19th and early 20th centuries is that that was the age of mass armies. It was impossible in the long run to deny political power to those groups on whom the military security of the European states rested. Moslems in Europe cannot be trusted with arms today. So a way will be found to change the political norms.
I'm really interested in learning one contribution to the world as a whole that your culture has given us, after your forced conversion to Islam.
Wrong! Absolutely impossible as the facts have shown.
1) Turk Muslims have not integrated in over 40+ years in Germany. They integrate as long as spouses they marry convert to islam.
2) Turk Muslims have shown the way to all muslims in the ways of dispensing of millions of Christians. They have had hundreds of years of practice doing it all over Eastern Europe, the Mediterranean and the middle East.
3) Given their history of siding with the wrong sides (Fascists) in all conflicts (WWI and II) there is no doubt that they will side with their muslim goons just as they voted in an islamic govt recently.
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Of course, the great majority of Muslims are peaceful -- so what?
Be careful for what you wish. The West is still the baddest SOB in the valley, and will be for quite some time.
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