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Islam in England and Europe: The Coming War of Religions
anxietycenter.com ^ | May 8, 2002 | Alan Caruba

Posted on 05/13/2002 3:51:13 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

The assassination of Pim Fortuyn, a Dutch rightwing politician who was outspoken against the influx of Muslims into Holland and the rest of Europe, and an opponent of immigration, needs to be seen in the larger context of how the growing Muslim population is having an impact throughout Europe and Great Britain.

Americans tend to pay little attention to other nations unless they pose a threat to our national security. It is doubtful that the average American could tell you much about the politics of Great Britain or European nations. The recent French elections got everyone’s attention because an avowed anti-Semite gained 17% of the vote that led to a run-off and repudiation. His brief moment in the spotlight, however, sent a shiver down the spine of those who recalled or know of the politics of the 1930s that led to World War II.

The United States has officially declared its opposition to three nations designated an "axis of evil", Iraq, Iran and North Korea. Other nations are designated as terrorist states, but European nations remain identified as allies, despite their reluctance to support US foreign policy. Moreover, these nations have formed the European Union in order to acquire more power for their region of the world. Great Britain has flirted with the idea of joining the EU, but so far has resisted.

It may surprise you, therefore, to learn that Muslims are the second largest religious group in England after the Anglican majority. There are some two million Muslims in Great Britain. They are not indigenous to England, being largely newcomers from Pakistan, Bangladesh, and India. Others come from Africa, Asia, and even Europe. The Muslims of England are very diverse in many ways, except for their faith in Islam.

Increasingly, though, demands have grown for education of Muslim children to reflect their religion, for official recognition of the Islamic faith. Native-born Brits are less than thrilled with their growing numbers and demands. Still, a recent poll by Eastern Eye, an Asian newspaper published in the UK, revealed that 87% of the Muslims polled said they are loyal to Britain, even though 64% were opposed to the US-led military action against Afghanistan.

The vote in France for Le Pen, a candidate with extreme right-wing political views, was generated by a growing concern of ordinary, native-born Frenchmen and women regarding their Muslim population and other immigrants. Here again, the fact that some four million Muslims are the second largest religious group in France may come as a surprise; more than half of them are French citizens. They are largely the result of France’s colonial past, especially in the North African region.

Most of the Muslim community in France are from nations called the "Maghreb", Algeria, Morocco, and Tunisia. Others come from Turkey, Senegal, and Mali. Some are converts. Islam has a long history in France. Ironically, the spread of Islam into Europe was ended with their defeat at Poitiers, France, in 732. It would not be until 1683 when Muslims were defeated near Vienna, that further expansion efforts ended in Europe. Now Muslims merely immigrate to European nations.

France’s situation is particularly instructive. Immigration began in earnest in the 1950s, primarily from Maghreb nations. There are some five million Muslims in France. For decades, the religion was largely invisible and Muslims represented the lowest rungs of the economic and social ladder, but second and third generation French Muslims, in the 1990s, underwent a re-conversion of sorts, joining the ranks of radical Islam to seek an identity in a society from which they felt excluded.

This is interesting, too, because, twenty years ago, the demand for official recognition of Islam led to the Charter of Muslim Faith that defined how a French Muslim could remain faithful to both Islam and France. Today, native French citizens tend to regard Muslims as a danger to their society. The French government, however, has seen integration of Muslims into French society as a wiser path than some form of de facto isolation.

Following 9.11 and the US retaliation in Afghanistan, the French magazine for Muslims, La Medina, organized a public meeting to discuss its significance for Islam. In a converted warehouse just north of central Paris, in October, a large crowd of French Muslims, mostly from North Africa, gathered. One speaker was a 39-year-old Swiss professor, Tariq Ramadan, the grandson of a man who founded Egypt’s Islamic revival movement, the radical Muslim Brotherhood, in the 1930s. "Now more than ever, we need to criticize some of our brothers," he told the packed hall. "My dignity depends on saying ‘You are unjustified if you use the Koran to justify murder.’" No doubt his grandfather is doing cartwheels in his grave.

Reportedly, the overwhelming majority of Europe’s Muslims see their religion as a moderate one. There are 12.5 million Muslims throughout Europe and they are in the process of redefining Islam as people born and bred in Europe. This may be the beginning of a much-needed Reformation within Islam that occurred and redefined Christianity after the Dark Ages.

Having noted the Muslim defeat outside of Vienna, Austria in 1683, it would not be until 1878 before Muslims appeared in greater numbers as the result of the annexation of Bosnia-Herzegovina and other territories by the Austro-Hungarian Empire. Currently, Muslims are the third largest religion in Austria and growing. Their numbers doubled between 1981 and 1991. These Muslims are largely immigrants and are often political refugees. The bulk are formerly Turkish and citizens of the former Yugoslavia. The recent Balkan wars drove a lot of Muslims to choose Austria as a homeland. There are also distinct and visible Iranian and Arab minorities as well.

The relationship between Muslim minorities and the State of Austria has been formalized and regulated since 1912 by the Islam Act that officially recognized the religion. It led to the establishment of the Muslim Faith Union in 1979 and Austrians Muslims are taught their faith in public schools with teachers paid by the State. The rise of nationalistic political parties in Austria reflects a concern seen in France. Increasingly, a growing portion of native Austrians are suspicious and fearful of Muslims.

In Poland, chiefly Polish-Lithuanian Tartars, a group estimated between two and three thousand, have lived in that nation for some 600 years. Their small numbers versus the overwhelmingly Catholic Poles has left them largely ignored. Muslims, however, in the post-Soviet Caucasus are a different situation entirely. A growing fundamentalism has, for example, led the Chechyans to use terrorism and war on the Russians to seek a separate nation. The Russians have responded much as the US has in Afghanistan.

Several former Russian provinces, now independent, but allied republics, have large, if not dominant Muslim populations. These include Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Kryghyezstan, and Kazakhstan. Add to this, Albania. The recent Balkan wars were largely religious movements by Muslims and, ironically, the US sided with them and against the Serbians. So did the rest of Europe.

So, now, when you say Europe, it’s wise to keep in mind that the nations that compose it are increasingly home to a growing population of Muslims. Wherever a population of Muslims gains in numbers, they begin to demand autonomy or a change in the governmental structure to reflect Islamic law. This is going to lead to a long religious war, an Islamic Jihad. Not all Muslims will support it, but few can be expected to speak out against it.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Germany; Russia; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: antisemitism; clashofcivilizatio; diversity; europeanunion; fortuyn; immigration; islam; jihad; lepen; sharia
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To: Siobhan
Would you be so kind as to ping some Christians?
41 posted on 11/17/2002 5:44:49 AM PST by MarMema
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To: Muslims_Wolf
Your religion will be completely destroyed shortly before its true progenitor, satan, is cast into the abyss.

Reacquaint yourself with the true God of Abraham while you still have the opportunity to exercise your free will.

42 posted on 11/17/2002 5:48:00 AM PST by Freebird Forever
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To: MarMema
Thanks for the ping! I don't know how long it's going to take us to really admit what's happening, that this actually is a "war of religion." Most of Europe practices no religion whatsoever, and therefore I think they believe themselves to be safe.

But Islam is bent on wiping out any vestiges of Christianity that remain in Western culture, as well as in the traditional lands of Eastern Christianity. You don't have to go to church on Sunday or temple on Saturday to be considered an enemy of Islam; just being part of the Judeo-Christian world is enough.

That said, I noticed that in Al Qaeda's latest ravings, today or last night, they said that America would have to convert to Islam. This was a major part of the message. But guess what: even the NY Post, which is normally pretty honest, simply omitted that part and just quoted the bit about America having to give up its support of Russia and Israel.

Unless we honestly face what this is all about, we're not going to be able to fight back until it's too late.
43 posted on 11/17/2002 5:48:22 AM PST by livius
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To: B Knotts
It may also surprise the nine million Catholics

Yeah but they are all Irish LOL. I have just returned from the UK and what shocked me is that some of the smaller cities are not that far off from becoming Islamic cities.

Some of my relatives are fairly left wing but even they agree that England is becoming Islamicised. The Moslems are outbreeding all other races including the Hindus and Irish Catholics. They already have ministers in parliament. Many English beleive it is already too late for England.

I hope not

God Bless

Mel

44 posted on 11/17/2002 5:49:11 AM PST by melsec
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To: Muslims_Wolf
it's time to burn that fool cross and get up from this myth u live in

Yes and follow Moehammed, brother of Shemphammed.

45 posted on 11/17/2002 5:50:22 AM PST by Dataman
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To: Muslims_Wolf
Can u speak Arabic smarty?

I can't and won't, but will a Hellfire missile get the message across we'd like to convey to your pals?

46 posted on 11/17/2002 5:50:31 AM PST by adx
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Islam is not the second largest religion in Britain. These figures are from the 1991 census, a census which is done every 10 years:

Baha’i: 6,000
Buddhist: 130,000
Christian: 40 million
Hindu: 400 – 555,000
Jain: 25 – 30,000
Jewish: 3 million
Muslim: 1 – 1.5 million Sikh: 350 – 500,000
Zoroastrian: 5 – 10,000

The Guardian suggested that there are presently 1.8 Muslims in Britain. Yet this is still approximately half the size of the Jewish community.

Calm down. They are not going to take over this country. If they don't behave themselves, they are going to be in serious trouble.

Regards, Ivan

47 posted on 11/17/2002 5:53:14 AM PST by MadIvan
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To: Muslims_Wolf
AND STOP WATCHING TV we live in a clean world and believes that the thing that you all mis

I have a friend here that you tortured in Juba for 5 months because he taught English at a Christian school. You would have killed him had not the SPLA rescued him. You are barbarian animals incapable of reason.

48 posted on 11/17/2002 5:54:54 AM PST by Dataman
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To: Muslims_Wolf
You hate, you lie, you get intoxicated on dreams and words, you make the mob your master, take no risks, you whine. So according to Kipling's tests of what makes a man, you fail on every single test. Since you are not a man, what are you?


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49 posted on 11/17/2002 5:57:27 AM PST by dennisw
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To: melsec
The Moslems are outbreeding all other races including the Hindus and Irish Catholics.

This is the sad legacy of abortion.

50 posted on 11/17/2002 6:01:02 AM PST by B Knotts
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To: mikeIII
>> France could have a Muslim majority by 2020!<<

This is now a given.

Continental Europe will be Islamic within 50 years. The EU is a natural structure to propel the Islamicization of the continent, and the Islamic Republic of Europe will be a formidable adversary.

Will Britain fall also?

51 posted on 11/17/2002 6:01:19 AM PST by Jim Noble
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To: dennisw; Muslims_Wolf
Since you are not a man, what are you?

I'd like to append your question Dennis,  if you don't mind... one very simple question that Muhammadan Canine can handle:
If Islam is peace and wonderful for all mankind...
why has there been no fatwah declaring UBL as blasphemous... and as such been condemned to death?

52 posted on 11/17/2002 6:04:53 AM PST by GirlShortstop
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To: Tailgunner Joe
This may be the beginning of a much-needed Reformation within Islam that occurred and redefined Christianity after the Dark Ages.

I doubt it. If anything, Islam seems to be returning to more fundamental roots which will eventually lead to a head on collision with Christianity, Judaism and Hiduism. European youth, with a dying faith and waning cultural identity will be ripe to be swallowed up by this 'cult'. The only alternative is that Muslim youth will not want to follow this fundamentalism and lean to a more Western lifestyle. Whoever maintains the momentum will win.

53 posted on 11/17/2002 6:15:53 AM PST by germanicus
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To: livius; Salvation; RnMomof7; drstevej; FormerLib; katnip; Abar; cmsgop; Libertina; Hank Kerchief; ..
Muslims wolf said

"it's time to burn that fool cross and get up from this myth u live in"

54 posted on 11/17/2002 8:43:26 AM PST by MarMema
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To: Jim Noble
Will Britain fall also?

Then we had darn well better give Putin a hand and make friends with China.

55 posted on 11/17/2002 8:46:25 AM PST by MarMema
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To: Muslims_Wolf
...believe the chaos of Jesus and the son of god that you priestess made show the truth of this lie some pray for Mary some don’t some said he’s the son of god some don’t believe and the most doubt and stop believe at all.

But one thing you can count on is that, should push come to shove, we will all stand shoulder to shoulder as Christians and non-Christians to defeat your friends in their takeover attempt.

56 posted on 11/17/2002 8:51:01 AM PST by MarMema
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To: JohnathanRGalt; home educate; Andy from Beaverton; Shermy; crazykatz; xzins
ping to a new freeper's posts - above - Muslim wolf.
57 posted on 11/17/2002 8:54:40 AM PST by MarMema
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To: Angelus Errare; JCG; Aquinasfan; Biker Scum
ping to a new freeper, see posts above, Muslims wolf.
58 posted on 11/17/2002 8:58:53 AM PST by MarMema
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To: Abar
See what I mean? It's all the fault of television. Same thing we heard at the Puyallup fair...
59 posted on 11/17/2002 9:09:13 AM PST by MarMema
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