Posted on 05/09/2002 6:08:14 AM PDT by SJackson
Repeal all Chicago gun laws. Simple.
I ask all women out there...if you have a violent ex, who is obviously a threat (why else have a protection order?) would you buy a gun? Can't easily do that in Chicago.
Which means that they will sit on it until everyone forgets about it, then file it in the round file.
"The lady's demeanor was very calm and she was conversational. She didn't say anything in the call that indicated she was about to be bodily harmed. She said he got in with a key. There was no indication that he was kicking in a door. Because there was no weapon on the scene, that might have had something to do with it," he said."
My prayers go out to the victim. This was insane!!! In more ways than ONE!!!
TOTALLY neglegent on the police departments part.
I mean.. the dispatcher CHOSE to FULLY INTERVIEW HER?
Secondly,.. it is great that the victim TAPED this!!! The police department just looks totally inept when they try to backtrack by saying "the lady was calm.. there was no indication that she was about to be bodily harmed". BULL!!
Saying a man has just indicated that he is GOING TO KILL YOU.. INDICATES IMMINENT DANGER!!!!
This is just outrageous!!! Totally disgusting!!! To bad the lady hadn't gone out and become proficient in the use of Fire Arms. She'd be alive today!!
I hope the SOaB fries.
I agree!!
You know.. that she may have spoken in a clam manner in NO WAY should have prevented the 911 dispatcher from sending someone immediately!!
They are always telling hysterical people to "CALM DOWN... we can't understand you!!". This woman did that..and wasn't taken seriously!! Yet the door was heard being kicked down in the tape!! The police say he used a KEY!!! Puleeeease!!!
I think when there is a restraining order.. it should be attached to the person seeking protections phone number and cell phone numbers. Then it would pop up on the 911 callers phone number automatically!!!
As someone who was beaten horribly in my first marraige.. this just makes me sick. Back then.. there was NO protection. Police couldn't do ANYTHING unless they SAW the attack happening. But today, things are supposed to be different. 17 minutes is forever.. what she went through just makes me ill!!
Since the late 60's Illinois requires registration with the state and the issuance of a FOID (Firearm Owners ID card) to purchase or possess a gun (with a waiting period) or ammunition, so she could have acquired a long arm after applying for and being issued the card(assuming no criminal record, etc).
Don't need them! HA HA HA! Yeah right. Just ask the dead lady.
YES i AGREE THIS DESERVES TO BE SEEN.
My my horse computer with all the self defense rights good stuff is in the hospital. I am also on vacation until May 16th.
But at McArthur said I shall return.
In my absent shall you pick up the sword and fight the good fight?
Chicagofarmer
My weapon of choice these days is a .45 auto. And no, I wouldn't be greeting my husband with one, he's a sweetie! Just anybody who crawls in the bedroom window or kicks down the front door...
But of course, that a gun was the murder weapon will be touted as proof for the necessity of more gun restrictions.
I know I'm relieved. An IAD investigation will take everything back.
The gun laws are designed to appeal to a majority of women. They feel much safer knowing that it's tough to get ahold of a gun. Then they are the victims that are unarmed as a result. The Saturday special guns that are so often touted as "the ones" to limit, are the only protect most poor women can afford. Consequently the legislation against them turns out to be nothing more than a racist effort to disarm poor minority women.
Gun laws kill people. They kill the wrong people. They do not hurt criminals. They hurt poor defenseless people who cannot arm themselves.
You’re kidding, right? Have a nice vacation, but a thread like this and you tell me to PICK UP A SWORD?
For those who didn’t want to be pinged on this, sorry. Some of us thought it would make sense to at least develop a list of those interested in 2nd Amendment issues in Illinois. You may live here, you may be nearby, you may be far away and realize that what happens here (we had gunowner registration in 68) can happen elsewhere. FR mail me if you don’t want to be on such a list, or if I missed anyone. I pinged anyone who posted on the two threads on this incident.
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A few comments, because sometimes I think these threads pass over important points.
A couple hours after posting this article I had the pleasure of attending the swearing in of new attorneys in the First (? Chicago) District of Illinois (no, I’m not one of them).
An early speaker spoke about this incident (front page news today). Her charge to these new attorneys, it’s one thing to get a restraining order, but you MUST see that it’s enforced, do what it takes. The judges in attendance nodded. I have no doubt of anyone’s sincerity. Could the judges and lawyers do better, sure. Not the problem, nor the solution.
I was happy to see these threads didn’t deteriorate into a criticism of the LEOs.
Seventeen minutes. I suspect the dispatcher will relive those minutes the rest of her life. I know several Chicago Cops, seventeen seconds would have worked for them. Maybe the system broke (Daley will play with that), but I doubt the people did. This was a tragedy.
What do we do?
While Chicago’s gun laws are despicable, this victim could have been armed. It was in her home, a shotgun would have worked (sorry farmer, no sword). Why didn’t she have one?
The first problem we must confront is the demonization of gun ownership. Maybe it was her choice not to be armed. But there are social pressures out there that disparage gun ownership. What can you do? If you’re a shooter or hunter, particularly if you live in a urban area, let your friends and neighbors know. If you’re responsible, they’ll begin to understand that these are responsible sports, and that gunowners aren’t demons.
Does the 2nd Amendment protect a personal or collective right? Personal, of course, but the wrong question.
Predating the Constitution, at the very birth of our nation, We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are LLLL, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men,…
What’s missing, Life. Our rights are God given, protected by the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights, but not fully enumerated. If we have a right to LIFE, we have a right to defend our lives. This would have been so basic to the founders, I can understand why it wasn’t the first, or at least in the 2nd. It’s basic, there is no Liberty or Pursuit of Happiness without Life.
Gun ownership, hunting, shooting sports, the 2nd Amendment needs to be explained to your friends in these common sense terms, not in arguments about about individual rights vs militias. If you’re a responsible citizen, and gunowners are, your friends will understand.
If someone had spoken to Ronyale White, she might have understood. She might have made a different choice. She might not. But as gunowners we have an obligation to make sure our friends and neighbors are fully informed in their decision making, and to defend our decisions.
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