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White House reverses [decades old] stand on right to bear arms
Associated Press ^ | Wednesday, May 8 | Associated Press

Posted on 05/08/2002 11:57:58 AM PDT by Patriotman

White House reverses stand on right to bear arms

Associated Press

Washington — Reversing decades of Justice Department policy, the Bush administration has told the Supreme Court that it believes the Constitution protects an individual's right to possess firearms.

At the same time, the administration's top Supreme Court lawyer said the case need not test that principle now.

The administration's view represents a reversal of government interpretations of the Second Amendment going back some 40 years.

"The current position of the United States ... is that the Second Amendment more broadly protects the rights of individuals, including persons who are not members of any militia or engaged in active military service or training, to possess and bear their own firearms," Solicitor-General Theodore Olson wrote in two court filings this week.

That right, however, is "subject to reasonable restrictions designed to prevent possession by unfit persons or to restrict the possession of types of firearms that are particularly suited to criminal misuse."

Mr. Olson, the administration's top Supreme Court lawyer, was reflecting the view of Attorney-General John Ashcroft that the Second Amendment confers the right to "keep and bear arms" to private citizens and not merely to the "well-regulated militia" mentioned in the amendment's text.

Mr. Ashcroft caused a stir when he expressed a similar sentiment a year ago in a letter to the National Rifle Association.

"While some have argued that the Second Amendment guarantees only a 'collective' right of the states to maintain militias, I believe the amendment's plain meaning and original intent prove otherwise," Mr. Ashcroft wrote.

Critics accused him of kowtowing to the gun lobby and of undermining federal prosecutors by endorsing a legal view 180 degrees away from what has been official Justice Department policy through four Democratic and five Republican administrations.

At the time that Mr. Ashcroft wrote the letter, it was unclear whether he was expressing his personal view or stating a new policy position for the government. That question was mostly answered last November, when he sent a letter to federal prosecutors praising an appellate court's decision that found "the Second Amendment does protect individual rights" but noting that those rights could be subject to "limited, narrowly tailored specific exceptions."

That opinion by the 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals went on to reject arguments from Texas physician Timothy Emerson that a 1994 federal gun law was unconstitutional. The law was intended to deny guns to people under judicial restraining orders.

"In my view, the Emerson opinion, and the balance it strikes, generally reflect the correct understanding of the Second Amendment," Mr. Ashcroft told prosecutors.

Mr. Emerson appealed to the Supreme Court, putting the Justice Department in an awkward position. Although the government won its case in the lower court using the old interpretation of the Second Amendment, Mr. Ashcroft had switched gears by the time the case reached the high court.

Mr. Olson's court filing on Monday urged the Supreme Court not to get involved and acknowledged the policy change in a lengthy footnote. Mr. Olson also attached Mr. Ashcroft's letter to prosecutors.

Mr. Olson made the same notation in a separate case involving a man convicted of owning two machine guns in violation of federal law. In that case, the government also won a lower-court decision endorsing a federal gun-control law.

The Justice Department issued a statement Tuesday night saying its latest comments reflect the Attorney-General's position in the November letter to prosecutors.

"This action is proof positive that the worst fears about Attorney-General Ashcroft have come true: His extreme ideology on guns has now become government policy," said Michael Barnes, president of the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence, which promotes gun control.

Mr. Barnes noted that other federal appeals courts and the Supreme Court have not found the same protection for individual gun ownership that the 5th Circuit asserted in the Emerson case.

The Supreme Court last ruled on the scope of the Second Amendment in 1939, when it said the clause protects only those rights that have "some reasonable relationship to the preservation of efficiency of a well-regulated militia."


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To: Patriotman
Notice the lie embedded in this paragraph:

Mr. Olson, the administration's top Supreme Court lawyer, was reflecting the view of Attorney-General John Ashcroft that the Second Amendment confers the right to "keep and bear arms" to private citizens and not merely to the "well-regulated militia" mentioned in the amendment's text.

The amendment's text does not mention the "well regulated militia" to the exclusion of the people as implied.

21 posted on 05/08/2002 12:30:35 PM PDT by spqrzilla9
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To: 45Auto
Let me guess your favorite caliber... .38, right?
22 posted on 05/08/2002 12:32:20 PM PDT by ricer1
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To: The KG9 Kid
Yeah, more smoke and mirrors.
23 posted on 05/08/2002 12:33:13 PM PDT by Scarlet Pimpernel
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To: Patriotman
Bump
24 posted on 05/08/2002 12:34:25 PM PDT by PRND21
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Hollow rhetoric. It is also apt to change with every new administration. Let look at the most telling statement:

That right, however, is "subject to reasonable restrictions designed to prevent possession by unfit persons or to restrict the possession of types of firearms that are particularly suited to criminal misuse."

So if the government grants itself the authority put restrictions on it, then it is not truly a right. Agree? Next they want to restrict certain firearms that are particular to criminal use. I'm guessing they are talking about the NFA. So the implication is that criminals prefer these weapons. The only time I see these weapons on the news they are in the hands of the ATF, FBI, DEA, etc. So in essence they have labelled their own alphabet soup JBTs as criminals.

Bottom line, if they can regualte it, it is not a right. "Shall not be infringed" must have meant something else a couple hundred years ago.

25 posted on 05/08/2002 12:37:48 PM PDT by Hard Case
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To: Patriotman
Good news!
26 posted on 05/08/2002 12:37:54 PM PDT by ppaul
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To: Patriotman
What is this "decade old stance"? Eight miserable years does not a decade make!
27 posted on 05/08/2002 12:38:14 PM PDT by caisson71
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To: Patriotman
That right, however, is "subject to reasonable restrictions designed to prevent possession by unfit persons or to restrict the possession of types of firearms that are particularly suited to criminal misuse."

Uh... And "reasonable" would mean.....?

28 posted on 05/08/2002 12:38:19 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Hard Case
Darn.
Now I guess it wasn't such good news after all.
29 posted on 05/08/2002 12:38:50 PM PDT by ppaul
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To: Patriotman
Hurrah for W!!!
30 posted on 05/08/2002 12:39:13 PM PDT by RWCon
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To: Patriotman
"subject to reasonable restrictions designed to prevent possession by unfit persons or to restrict the possession of types of firearms that are particularly suited to criminal misuse."

Right...just like it says in the Bill of Rights.

31 posted on 05/08/2002 12:40:03 PM PDT by Wolfie
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To: Hard Case
Hollow rhetoric.

Wrong! Its rhetoric that's full of it.

32 posted on 05/08/2002 12:41:25 PM PDT by Wolfie
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To: The KG9 Kid
Its unlikely that you will get a Supreme Court opinion on the Second Amendment in the Emerson case, the 5th Circuit gave the US S.Ct. an out to affirm their ruling without ruling on the Second Amendment claim.
33 posted on 05/08/2002 12:44:21 PM PDT by spqrzilla9
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To: Patriotman
There really cannot be any "collective" rights, as a collective cannot think, act, or be, except by definition. Rights can only exist for people, which is the word actually used in reference to them in the Constitution. "The right of the people" always meant each and every person, as that is the only "collective" whose definition and membership criteria is not in doubt. Only an individual can exercise a right. Only an individual can have his or her rights either defended or taken away.

I shudder to think that for decades it was official policy that a common right of the people was viewed as a "collective" right, not an individual right. I am glad that the Bush administration has reversed this long-standing policy, but worry how long it will last.

34 posted on 05/08/2002 12:44:23 PM PDT by Jay W
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To: Patriotman
I'm too much of a cynic to read motives of deep conservative principle into this. They've paid enough attention to the polls to realize that the dems have lost seats in the house and senate just about every time they've pushed gun control in election years.
35 posted on 05/08/2002 12:46:41 PM PDT by Harrison Bergeron
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To: Patriotman;Snow Bunny; Billie; FallGuy; JohnHuang2; Mama_Bear; Victoria Delsoul; daisyscarlett...
Washington
Reversing decades of Justice Department policy, the Bush administration has told the Supreme Court
that it believes the Constitution protects an individual's right to possess firearms.



36 posted on 05/08/2002 12:46:43 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: Patriotman
LOLOL and predictably, Chuck the Schmuck Schumer is not happy about this......sputter sputter sputter......LOL
37 posted on 05/08/2002 12:48:29 PM PDT by OldFriend
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To: Wolfie
Wrong! Its rhetoric that's full of it.

I stand corrected. But I don't walk funny....anymore.

38 posted on 05/08/2002 12:52:49 PM PDT by Hard Case
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To: Patriotman
My God! I think I'm gonna pass out!! FReepers actually praising the Bush Administration!!! Never thought I'd see the day.
39 posted on 05/08/2002 12:53:01 PM PDT by Destructor
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
I'm pleased- already the radio news is filled with reports that, aw, what are they spinning themselves as now? "Gun Safety Groups?"- are denouncing it, so it must be beneficial!
40 posted on 05/08/2002 12:53:54 PM PDT by backhoe
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