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Were There Jews in the Nazi Army?
chronicle.com ^ | May 3, 2002 | DANNY POSTEL

Posted on 04/30/2002 5:31:11 PM PDT by swarthyguy

A historian says thousands of Hitler's soldiers had mixed heritage. Does it matter? Now, Bryan Mark Rigg the 31-year-old professor of history at the online American Military University, who recently received a Ph.D. from the University of Cambridge, has just published a book on Nazi Germany that some historians are calling pathbreaking. This month, the University Press of Kansas releases Hitler's Jewish Soldiers: The Untold Story of Nazi Racial Laws and Men of Jewish Descent in the German Military, on which Mr. Rigg has been laboring since his sophomore year of college.

Controversy has shadowed his work for years. Articles about Mr. Rigg's research in the London Daily Telegraph, The New York Times, and the Los Angeles Times in late 1996 and 1997 -- when he was just starting graduate school -- brought it exceptionally high visibility for such an embryonic dissertation. It also brought him into contact with the people who would form the core of his study: the several hundred soldiers of partly Jewish origin in the Nazi military who told him their extraordinary stories.

Michael Berenbaum, former director of the Research Institute of the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum and editor of Witness to the Holocaust (HarperCollins, 1997), calls Hitler's Jewish Soldiers "startling and unexpected." An "invaluable contribution," he says in a blurb for the book, it "is bound to discomfort all those who work in the field," and has much to teach "even the most experienced of scholars."

Other historians see Mr. Rigg's work as sensationalistic and distorted, and its author as publicity-hungry. The broadcast of a feature about the book on NBC's Dateline in June is unlikely to assuage those critics. In any case, the highly anticipated publication is sure to throw many readers for a loop and spark a vigorous discussion among scholars.

Mr. Rigg says he "couldn't have done it" if he were a more traditional historian. He went to extraordinary lengths to collect the oral testimonies of more than 400 soldiers in the Nazi army, persuading them to give him their personal documents: army papers, personnel files, government letters, diaries -- documents, he and others believe, that no one had examined before.

What surfaces in those papers, and in Mr. Rigg's in-depth interviews, is a glimpse into how the several thousand men of partial Jewish origin who served in Hitler's army saw themselves -- how they felt about their Germanness, their Jewishness, the war, the Holocaust, and their own participation therein. Mr. Rigg estimates that there were upwards of 100,000 such "Mischlinge" -- German for mixed-blood or half-breed -- as they were known in Nazi parlance, and possibly as many as 150,000, a calculation that some of his critics regard as wildly overblown.

The key to his research was gaining the confidence of his subjects. That is what opened a door to the heretofore largely obscure chapter in 20th-century history that he has unearthed. It is a story that had not been told in systematic fashion, until now.

Discouraging Words

Embarking on his research as an undergraduate at Yale University, Mr. Rigg received more than his share of discouragement. Don't bother, his professors told him. There may be a smattering of such individuals, they said, but hardly a critical mass. How would you find them? And even if you could, what purpose would it serve?

Henry Turner, a professor of history at Yale who wrote Hitler's Thirty Days to Power (Addison-Wesley, 1996), was one of the naysayers. "I didn't think it could be done. I told him he was wasting his time. Where would one find the evidence?"

Such disparagement, Mr. Rigg says, is what drove him on. With every brushoff, he became more determined to prove his professors wrong, no matter what the cost. "I did the whole thing on a dare," he says in his robust Texan drawl.

What began as a desire to prove something to his professors became something larger, however. The more he learned about these soldiers -- and how little-known their part in the war was -- the more passionately he began to feel that the chronicling of their history depended on him.

"If I didn't tell these stories," he says, his voice rising with enthusiasm, "nobody would."

That passion for his subject -- and his subjects -- comes through in Hitler's Jewish Soldiers but radiates even more powerfully in conversation. Mr. Rigg's study is as much a personal quest as an academic matter. While in Germany in 1992, studying language at the Goethe Institute and doing research into his family origins, Mr. Rigg happened upon some records indicating that his mother's ancestry included Jews. For a boy from a Protestant "Bible church" in Fort Worth that came as a shock.

But Mr. Rigg welcomed the news, and eventually even got his churchgoing mother interested in the family's Judaic roots, of which the family had been entirely unaware. (Hanging in her suburban Dallas house is a placard that says "Shalom, y'all!") In order to learn about the Jewish tradition -- not something he was versed in at the Fort Worth Christian Academy -- Mr. Rigg later went to Israel and enrolled in a yeshiva, where he studied Judaism and intensive Hebrew.

His Jewish ancestry was not the only discovery Mr. Rigg made in Germany that summer. One evening, he went to see the movie Europa, Europa, the harrowing story of Shlomo Perel, a German Jew who escaped his homeland after the Nazis seized power, made his way east to the Soviet Union, was captured by the German army, and then, to save his life, assumed the identity of a non-Jewish German soldier.

Sitting next to Mr. Rigg in the theater that night was an aging man who helped translate the dialogue for him. Later, over drinks, the gentleman related his own story, which bore more than a passing resemblance to Perel's. One-quarter Jewish, the man had served in the Wehrmacht on the Russian front.

That evening was it for Mr. Rigg; the seed of curiosity had been planted. Picking a dissertation topic often comes at a late stage in one's doctoral program -- indeed, for many, excruciatingly late -- but Mr. Rigg had, in effect, decided on his topic the summer after his freshman year.

Race Against Time

When he got back to Yale he began to map out his senior essay. If he could locate more Jews or part-Jews who had served in the German army and chronicle their stories, he thought, he would have his paper. But he was up against the clock: Such men, if they existed, would be near the end of their lives.

Though he was able to identify only a handful of living Wehrmacht veterans of Jewish descent by the time he was a junior, he secured money from Yale to spend a year in Germany between his junior and senior years. Determined to track down at least 30 such men, he shouldered a video camera, a laptop and small printer, and a duffel bag, and bicycled from town to town all over Germany.

That was characteristic behavior, say several of Mr. Rigg's professors, who have been struck by his tenacity. Paula E. Hyman, a professor of history at Yale and author of Gender and Assimilation in Modern Jewish History (University of Washington Press, 1995), recalls a paper that he wrote for her in which he cited a number of State Department documents. When she asked him where, precisely, he had found his sources, he told her matter-of-factly that he had gone to Washington and consulted the original papers. "Most undergraduates don't do that," she says with a chuckle. "That was when I realized that he was very serious about his research."

Over the next two years, by reading the scarce literature in German on the Mischlinge and doing news-database searches, he was able to document 30 men and contact them. Almost without exception, they welcomed him into their homes, let him interview them, and showed him their papers and personal documents from the war.

Often he felt as if he were being ushered into the innermost chambers of their lives. Several veterans revealed things to him about their histories and experiences that they'd never told even their wives or children. Many had hidden their partial Jewish ancestry -- and their anguish over that tortured identity -- from their families. "Please don't let my wife know," several of his subjects pleaded -- with their wives in the next room.

"These were things some of them hadn't discussed for 50 years," says Mr. Rigg.

Perhaps most helpful of all, virtually all of them offered the names of others for him to interview, then helped him find them. The project was mushrooming. Thirty subjects eventually became 430.

Mr. Turner, the initially skeptical Yale professor, recalls Mr. Rigg's appearing at his office door in January 1994, 20 pounds lighter. "He had a huge rucksack that he dropped on the floor and started pulling these documents out of it -- documents people had been giving him. And I said, 'Okay, I give up. You can write that as your senior essay.'"

Suddenly Jewish

As bizarre as it might seem that people of Jewish origin could have taken up arms in Hitler's army and acted on behalf of a regime bent on slaughtering Jews, the story is more complicated and ambiguous than that -- which is where much of the controversy comes in.

German Jews, unlike many of their Eastern European counterparts, tended to be highly assimilated. Most of them were educated, professional, and urban. They saw themselves -- and, until the National Socialist takeover, were largely seen -- as German, as part of the national culture. Indeed, many of them had served in the German military in World War I. They were patriotic. Some were even antagonistic toward the Eastern European Jews who began to migrate to Germany after the war, seeing them as backward, parochial, and insular.

By the early 20th century, intermarriage was not unusual. Thus the appearance of numerous Mischlinge, as they came to be known by the Nazis. For many Mischlinge, serving in the Wehrmacht was a matter of survival -- a way of fitting in rather than sticking out, a potential shield against extermination. For others, however -- particularly those with more tenuous Jewish roots -- it was an expression of genuine nationalism. Not that they subscribed to Nazi ideology, but they felt a deep loyalty to the German nation and wanted to serve it, Mr. Rigg argues.

When the Nazis took power and undertook to create the racial state, there was a good deal of confusion over what exactly to do with these Mischlinge. According to the Nuremberg racial laws of 1935, anyone with one Jewish grandparent was, in the eyes of the Reich, a Jew -- in possession of bad "blood" and ultimately eligible for killing. At the same time, however, the Nazis made exceptions for many Mischlinge soldiers, seeing them as useful servants in the war effort.

Besides, many such Mischlinge had demonstrated ample loyalty to the German state. What to do with them?

With the enactment of the racial laws, those Mischlinge who had never considered their part-Jewish provenance of much significance were forced into a shocking awareness of their "Jewish" identity. What did it mean for an assimilated -- in many cases baptized -- German, with one or two Jewish grandparents, to be told that he was "Jewish," and therefore not "German"? Mischlinge identity was further complicated by Jewish religious law, known as Halakhah, according to which Jewish identity is matrilineal: If your mother is Jewish, so are you; if just your father is Jewish, you are not, unless you convert.

For the Nazis, Mischlinge were of questionable "Aryan" provenance. As Mr. Rigg puts it in his book, "Similar to Halakhah, Nazi doctrine said Jewishness is inherited" -- with the difference that Hitler didn't care which side the Jewish "blood" came through.

But how did the Mischlinge identify themselves? That is a question, Mr. Rigg believes, that has been largely ignored. The scant attention paid to the subject has been based on official Nazi discourse on the one hand, and Halakhic debate on the other. He saw a need to explore what these German citizens thought and felt themselves, to document their experiences in their own words. In so doing, he hoped to fill a void in the historical record.

The answers he found in his 1,000-plus hours of interviews were at once illuminating and perplexing: all over the map, yet a compelling collective testimony.

One man he interviewed had lived in a Nazi-imposed Jewish ghetto and witnessed several executions of Jews. He joined the anti-Nazi resistance, only to find himself later serving as a cook in the Nazi army. His sergeant saved his life, helping him conceal his Jewish ancestry.

Others Mr. Rigg interviewed knew nothing of the Final Solution -- the Nazi plan for liquidating the Jewish population -- until late in the war, when they began to learn of some of their own Jewish relatives' being butchered. The turmoil this caused many of them was unbearable.

'Not a Bombshell'

"I can't imagine what difference [this research] would make," says Peter Gay, a professor emeritus of history at Yale and author of My German Question: Growing Up in Nazi Berlin (Yale University Press, 1999), who was one of the professors who discouraged Mr. Rigg early on. "I could be quite unimaginative, but I just don't see it." Mr. Gay declines to elaborate.

David Cesarani, a professor of modern Jewish history at Southampton University, in England, and editor of The Final Solution: Origins and Implementation (Routledge, 1994), concurs. Mr. Rigg's research, he says in an e-mail message, is "of little significance to understanding either the Third Reich or the persecution and mass murder of the Jews."

What's more, he contends, it's "unoriginal." Even if Mr. Rigg has added "detail" to existing knowledge, he says, the thesis itself is nothing new. "The paradoxes of Nazi policy are well known."

"This is not a bombshell," says Raul Hilberg, a professor emeritus of history at the University of Vermont and author of The Politics of Memory: The Journey of a Holocaust Historian (Ivan R. Dee Publishers, 1996). "We have known that there were thousands of [Mischlinge] in the German army." He views Mr. Rigg's claim that there were upwards of 100,000 of them as "preposterous."

"This mathematics escapes me," he says. "Great caution is required here."

Mr. Rigg says he based his figure on birth records, mixed-marriage rates, and assimilation figures (both those who converted to Christianity and those who ceased identifying themselves as Jews), and consultations with statisticians and mathematicians. "It is a conservative estimate," he says.

While he is not the first scholar to have written about the Mischlinge -- there have been journal articles and monographs in German -- his supporters point out that never before has there been a book-length study of the subject in English. Neither has there been a systematic oral history of the Mischlinge, a canvass of their personal testimonies.

"I think it addresses a very important point -- that the racial ideology of the Nazis was unworkable even in their own hands," says Mr. Turner. The racial policies of the Third Reich were supposed to be objective and automatic, but Hitler was so obsessed with "Aryan blood" that he would turn away from running the war and the Holocaust to specify the policies and work them out -- sometimes, down to the individual level, approving some cases, rejecting others. Mr. Rigg's book, Mr. Turner says, gets to the heart of the matter.

"It's certainly original," says Christopher R. Browning, a professor of history at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill and author of The Path to Genocide: Essays on Launching the Final Solution (Cambridge University Press, 1992). Obtaining as many interviews as Mr. Rigg did is highly unusual in studying Nazi history, he says. In examining "the lived experiences" of the Mischlinge, Mr. Browning says, the book will "illuminate a dark corner" of history and provide a "texture of one aspect of life under the Third Reich that we know very little about."

Jonathan Steinberg, a professor of modern European history at the University of Pennsylvania and author of All or Nothing: The Axis and the Holocaust 1941-1943 (Routledge, 1990), was Mr. Rigg's dissertation supervisor at Cambridge. The doctoral research is "like no other Ph.D. I've ever read," he says. And Mr. Rigg is like no other student he has ever had. He was "knocked over" when he first saw Mr. Rigg's room, "full of all these iron crosses and pictures and personal letters and diaries and bits of uniforms." The student had "collected this stuff" not as part of his Ph.D., Mr. Steinberg says, but in a "personal quest."

Indeed, Mr. Steinberg was so taken by the array of documents that he wanted to see it preserved. He contacted the German government and arranged for Mr. Rigg's expanding collection to be housed in an official archive, where it would be properly secured and could serve as a resource for further research. The Bryan Mark Rigg Collection is now at the Bundesarchiv-Militararchiv, in Freiburg.

"Is it of earth-shaking significance? No," says Ms. Hyman, the Yale history professor. But "most doctoral dissertations, most historical research -- if they tell an interesting story, can we expect much more?"

Stop the Presses

One recurring criticism of Mr. Rigg has to do with his having gone to the news media with his story while he was still a graduate student. The effect of disclosing his research to the press, says Southampton's Mr. Cesarani, was galvanic. "This is not the way most historians behave -- least of all Ph.D. candidates."

Mr. Hilberg echoes that concern, calling Mr. Rigg a "publicity hound."

It wasn't Mr. Rigg's idea to go to the press -- it was Mr. Steinberg's. "The problem was that he had no way of reaching his potential interviewees," the dissertation supervisor says. They were "strewn all over Germany," most of them unaware of Mr. Rigg's existence. "There was no registry of them, no way he could get to them -- unless he went public."

So, in 1996, Mr. Steinberg contacted a reporter at the Daily Telegraph, a former student of his, and arranged a meeting for Mr. Rigg. The ensuing newspaper article, which reached Germany, occasioned several hundred letters. People with similar stories to tell, but who had said nothing for decades, suddenly wanted to talk. (There was one additional motivation for going to the press, Mr. Rigg says: By laying claim to his research in public, he hoped to avoid being scooped by another scholar.)

"This is in no way an ordinary Ph.D." and should not be compared to one, Mr. Steinberg says. With no archive, no list of names, Mr. Rigg had no choice, his adviser says, but to "rest almost entirely on the good will" of his subjects, who gave him their personal records. "How was he to find them otherwise?"

As for the academic quality of Mr. Rigg's work, Mr. Steinberg says it has passed "the highest possible scrutiny."

What's in a Title?

It's not the mere fact of Mr. Rigg's having taken his findings to the press that irks some critics. Richard J. Evans, a professor of modern history at Cambridge and author of Lying about Hitler (Basic Books, 2001), says in an e-mail message that while he regards the new book as an important contribution, he thinks that its author and publisher are engaging in sensationalism by giving it a "wholly misleading title."

Even many of the book's enthusiasts are unhappy about its title. "They weren't 'Jewish soldiers,'" Mr. Steinberg says. "It's a gimmick."

As Mr. Rigg's study itself demonstrates, most of his subjects never thought of themselves as Jewish. What does it mean to label them that way?

"It is to become complicit in the Nazis' own racist doctrines," says Omer Bartov, a professor of history at Brown University and author of Hitler's Army: Soldiers, Nazis, and War in the Third Reich (Oxford University Press, 1991).

Mr. Rigg himself wanted the word "Jewish" to appear in quotation marks in the title, he says, precisely to convey a sense of the label's problematic nature. But his publisher persuaded him to drop the quotemarks, he says. The "provocative, shocking" title was a self-conscious act on the part of the Kansas press, he says -- one that, in the end, he's comfortable with.

The Road Ahead

The controversy isn't likely to derail Mr. Rigg. He has already completed another volume, about the writing of his first one, tentatively titled In Search of Hitler's Jewish Soldiers. As for his professional future, he's uncertain -- and ambivalent.

With the stir he and his book are about to make, academic offers could be forthcoming. While his full-time teaching job with the for-profit American Military University, based in Manassas, Va., allows him the flexibility to work from home, spend time with his infant daughter, and promote his book, it's unclear whether it is the sort of career he wants in the long term.

But getting his Ph.D. was more of a means to do the research and write the book, Mr. Rigg says, than a ticket to an academic career. While he is in no way shy about the attention he is receiving, he wrote the book, he says, simply to tell the stories of the men he has discovered.

"It took a kid from Texas" to tell this story, against the advice of some of the most prominent scholars in the field, he says. Hitler's Jewish Soldiers could prove to be his academic oeuvre, he adds. "I might not have another scholarly book in me."


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To: sheik yerbouty
This crap is just a variation of the jihadist/nazi line "The Jews did it to themselved."

There is not a group of people on the planet which does not have sell-outs within it. Doesn't matter if religion, race, creed or whatever is the group identity, 2%-5% will be no damn good.

It would be astounding if Jews were not in the Nazi ranks, it is not surprising that some were.

I don't even think those interviewed on Dateline last night were evil. They were victims of circumstance. Same was true with others in Germany.

Those who get on a high horse and denounce the morality of Germans or Jews who helped Nazis in WWII must consider that if they were living there then, they too would probably had ended up in the German Armed Forces.

101 posted on 06/10/2002 12:45:17 PM PDT by LarryLied
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To: Cicero
Very interesting. And interesting how desperate the standard academic historians are to deprecate and diminish his accomplishment. What a bunch of insecure dweebs they are.

Academic historians are every bit as lazy, status-anxiety driven, herd-mentality following, as, oh, I don't know...journalists, for instance.

Few things piss off academic historians more then a young historian who does actual, original research, especially when the research covers a topic that they would prefer remain permently buried.

102 posted on 06/10/2002 12:50:32 PM PDT by Vast Buffalo Wing Conspiracy
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To: LarryLied
Sure. The rabbi would say "I want to enlist." what then, Auschwitz(Oswiecm, if you prefer)boot camp. The only German ally in WW2 who had openly Jewish soldiers was Finland. They were not in the Wehrmacht, they were in the Finnish army fighting Stalin.
103 posted on 06/10/2002 12:54:07 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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To: sheik yerbouty
That is not the case. Dateline NBC ran interviews with Jewish Wehrmacht soldiers last night. One guy who was in the invasion of France got letters from his grandmother about how bad things were. She died in a camp. Many Jewish soldiers appealed directed to Hitler for an exemption from the race laws. Hitler personally examined the cases. They got exemptions. Others told their commanding officers not to promote them because a background check would show they were Jewish. Many were protected by their fellow soldiers.

The Dateline NBC transcript was posted last night here:

Hiding in plain sight: An unusual and controversial chapter in Holocaust history

104 posted on 06/10/2002 1:01:32 PM PDT by LarryLied
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To: Pinlighter
One who was partially Jewish was subject to deportation to the death camps, regardless what they thought of themselves. I do not say that there were no Jews in Hitler's Army. I am saying there were no openly Jewish or half Jewish(by ancestry) soldiers. It would have meant death. The existence of the death camps was not openly publicized until the war was over, but their existence was already known.
106 posted on 06/10/2002 1:20:49 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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To: Pinlighter;JMJ333;aim small miss small;Rodney King;Tropoljac;mountaineer;NCLibertarian...
The only big deal here is some refuse to admit history. But that is no surprise. The Virtual Jewish History Tour says this about Hungary after WWI:

The Austro-Hungarian Empire was dissolved after its defeat in World War. I. The communist regime gained power and many Jews were active in the upper echelon of the government run by Bela Kun, a Jew. In 1919, the brief Hungary-Soviet Republic ended and was followed by a series of riots and violence against the Jews known as the "White Terror"; more than 3,000 Jews died in the massacres.

Rather selective account, don't you think?

107 posted on 06/10/2002 1:22:04 PM PDT by LarryLied
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To: Pinlighter,sheik yerbouty
I must say I am surprised that anyone is surprised at this. Most part-jewish people I know tend to consider themselves gentile: in the sense that if you are not jewish entirely, you are gentile by default. …Part-jews living at that time must have felt great pressure to identify with the "winners" and renounce the jewish side of their heritage.

I’m not sure anyone is particularly surprised at this, it’s coming up again now due to the book.

By definition these people didn’t view themselves as Jews or have any identification with the Jewish religion (though I have no doubt there were some imposters). They were Jewish in the same sense that Hillary Clinton and Barry Goldwater are. To quote the MSNBC interview on the other thread.

“To call these people ‘Hitler’s Jewish soldiers’ is to presume the Nazi definition of who is Jewish,” says Michael Berenbaum.

“Namely, to do it not by the religion we live, by the identity we affirm, but the accident of the blood we contain — that we have within. That’s a Nazi definition.”

Frankly, the controversy of this escapes me. Unfortunately SY is right that this is occasionally used as blame the victim technique, in the same sense that some equate Communism with the Jewish religion attribute to Judiasm a desire to eradicate Christians as an "explanation" of the Nazis.

109 posted on 06/10/2002 1:36:45 PM PDT by SJackson
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To: swarthyguy
His Jewish ancestry was not the only discovery Mr. Rigg made in Germany that summer. One evening, he went to see the movie Europa, Europa, the harrowing story of Shlomo Perel, a German Jew who escaped his homeland after the Nazis seized power, made his way east to the Soviet Union, was captured by the German army, and then, to save his life, assumed the identity of a non-Jewish German soldier.

Breathtaking and heartbreaking, this film Europa, Europa is well worth the cost of purchase, let alone rental. Even those who hate subtitles will still gain a great deal from this film; one can never forget him trying desperately to conceal his circumcision.

110 posted on 06/10/2002 1:45:42 PM PDT by Petronski
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To: swarthyguy
Why does nobody pay attention to the fact that Hitler also employed Blacks from South West Africa, the feared Schwartzkomando?
111 posted on 06/10/2002 1:57:42 PM PDT by metesky
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To: LarryLied
No, not selective. We all know Christians don't count.
112 posted on 06/10/2002 2:50:58 PM PDT by JMJ333
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To: LarryLied
The Ottoman's first conquest of Buda took place in 1526; many Jews joined the Turks in the retreat into the Ottoman Empire. This led to the dispersion of Hungarian Jews in the Balkan region. In 1541, central Hungary became part of the Ottoman Empire. The Jews were treated well under the Ottoman regime. Immigration to Buda increased with an influx of refugees and Sephardim from Asia Minor and Buda became one of the most important Jewish communities in the Ottoman Empire. Jews were allowed to practice their religion and participate in commerce. One of the cities where Jews settled in the 16th century was Kecskemet in central Hungary.

It seems as if the Jews and the Muslim Ottoman Turks got along quite well. If you recall,the Arabs were our allies in WWI against the Ottoman Turks(remember Lawrence of Arabia?).
113 posted on 06/10/2002 2:52:01 PM PDT by Aleksandar Vojvoda
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To: Petronski
the harrowing story of Shlomo Perel, a German Jew who escaped his homeland after the Nazis seized power, made his way east to the Soviet Union, was captured by the German army, and then, to save his life, assumed the identity of a non-Jewish German soldier.

i wonder if a movie will ever be made about the exploits of Shlomo Morel?Shlomo Morel
114 posted on 06/10/2002 3:00:25 PM PDT by Aleksandar Vojvoda
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To: Aleksandar Vojvoda
Stalin sent some real sweethearts to run Poland at the end of WWII, didn't he?
115 posted on 06/10/2002 3:25:03 PM PDT by LarryLied
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To: Aleksandar Vojvoda
}i wonder if a movie will ever be made about the exploits of Shlomo Morel.

Here is the link to AMAZON listing of "An Eye For An Eye", by John Sack. The dozens of reader reviews are uniformly outstanding. No honest movie will ever be made of this suppressed book!

116 posted on 06/10/2002 4:48:12 PM PDT by skraeling
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To: LarryLied
Stalin sent some real sweethearts to run Poland at the end of WWII, didn't he?

Apparently,Stalin also sent some "sweethearts" when Poland was divided between USSR and Nazi Germany.

Polands Holocaust Read Thoroughly
117 posted on 06/10/2002 5:33:57 PM PDT by Aleksandar Vojvoda
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To: LarryLied
Stalin sent some real sweethearts to run Poland at the end of WWII, didn't he?

But the Soviets were no laughing matter. What unfolded under their occupation no one could have imagined. Many Poles were immediately executed or arrested while entire families would be deported to the USSR. Local Boy Scouts posted with old carbines were handed over by Jewish Communists to the NKVD, the Soviet equivalent of the Gestapo. We heard stories of Polish soldiers being executed after surrendering. In the countryside the Soviets encouraged ethnic minorities to attack Poles with scythes and axes--and some did!

Or maybe you meant these "sweethearts"?
118 posted on 06/10/2002 6:00:46 PM PDT by Aleksandar Vojvoda
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To: LarryLied
Our Deporatation Our tragedy culminated on April 13, 1940, when two locals, a Jew and a Ukrainian, arrived bringing a Soviet soldier with them. "You have thirty minutes to pack!" they growled. Flashing in my head was the word that terrified all Poles: Siberia! Mama and I lost our composure. But Czeslaw began packing and throwing together bundles, and he ordered us to gather things like tools and boots. Czeslaw was hampered by the soldier who followed him everywhere and wouldn't allow him to take an axe--a weapon! My beloved cat Zbik was running after me and when I asked Mama what would happen to him she just said: "It'll be a lot colder for us."Natalia's Letters Then we were ordered to hand over our house keys to someone. But who? Mama knew that the poor Jews weren't being deported, yet, and she gave the address of her tailor. When he arrived Mama asked him to take care of our whole fortune and distribute certain valuables to remaining friends in town. I grabbed his hand and begged him to take care of Zbik, and he agreed. Later I learned that Zbik ran away and our things were stolen or sold at low prices by the NKVD--photos were thrown into a fire by those who wanted the frames. We then loaded our thing into a peasant's wagon waiting on the street. It was barely light as we rode down streets of dirty snow to the rail station. I beheld Krzemieniec dripping with fog as if in tears. This would be my last memory of home. A sudden thought: "My God! I was just racing down these streets with my atlas--and now where is it?" I had forgotten it. But would I need it where we were going? I snuggled up to Mama and she to me--we felt so alone and lost.
119 posted on 06/10/2002 6:09:28 PM PDT by Aleksandar Vojvoda
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To: skraeling
. So what about this book? It is thoughtful, well-researched, intelligent. Not only is this book depressing, but the fact that the state of Israel would give shelter, safe haven and excuses for the murderous Morel, protecting him from prosecution for his crimes against humanity - this is indeed the saddest thing of all. The second issue is why the likes of Mr. Steinberg feel so threatened by the topic of the abuse of the eastern Germans - 13 million of whom were ethnically cleansed in the most horrific conditions and 2 million of whom died through that abuse, disease and starvation and torture camps such as Mr. Morel's. Never again? It's happened already.

I appreciated this unnamed writers review of the book.
120 posted on 06/10/2002 6:15:17 PM PDT by Aleksandar Vojvoda
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