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Women Can't Be Gun-Shy About Defense
Fox News ^ | 30 apr 02 | Wendy McElroy

Posted on 04/30/2002 8:14:59 AM PDT by white trash redneck

Edited on 04/22/2004 12:33:19 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

It is rare for a prestigious institution to nakedly compromise its research integrity to promote a political agenda. Yet this is what the Harvard School of Public Health did April 17 when it issued an anti-gun press release trumpeting its recent study on the murder of women.


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To: lowbridge
I wish Hannity would challenge what Harvard's definition of "scholarship" is when they promote this kind of hysteria based on not just flawed data, but deceptively manipulated data. It would make an interesting, entertaining, and informative bit to have in their segments now and then. Another good laugh would the almighty "statistics", the most powerful weapon used by liberals against those they consider unsuspecting sheeple.

What an opportunity to make liberals look like such fools.

21 posted on 04/30/2002 4:52:39 PM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: lowbridge
Stop the attacks on our God given Rights by the extreme wacko left !!

Guns Save Lives !!

Freedom Is Worth Fighting For !!

The Right Of The People To Keep And Bear Arms Shall Not Be Infringed !!

An Armed Citizen, Is A Safe Citizen !!

No Guns, No Rights !!

Molon Labe !!


22 posted on 04/30/2002 5:14:35 PM PDT by blackie
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To: uncbob
Eliminate Black and Hispanic statistics and the murder rate is probably under 4.0

How overall homicide rates compare for whites, hispanics, and blacks (both sexes)
Overall homicide rate per 100,000 for whites, 1999: 3.84.
Homicide rate for persons of Hispanic origin: 9.14.
Homicide rate for blacks: 21.94.

How homicide rates compare for white, hispanic, and black women
Homicide rate for women: 2.94.
Homicide rate for white women: 2.16.
Homicide rate for women of Hispanic origin: 2.99.
Homicide rate for black women: 7.83.

Bonus info on gun ownership and victimization of women (from our good buddies at Violence Policy Center):
27% of whites own a gun.
11% of hispanics own a gun.
16% of blacks own a gun.

Only about 8% of women own a gun.
I was unable to find figures for black women vs. white women, but if one assumes (based on the above info) that white people are 70% more likely to own a gun than black people... a bit of algebra leads me to make an educated guess that, probably:
Around 8.5% of white women own guns.
Only around 5% of black women own guns.

96% of women murdered are murdered by a male.
42% of female murder victims are black women.

Violence Policy Center's response to this victimization of women by armed, violent, physically stronger men:
Demand that all legal handguns in the United States be banned and confiscated.

23 posted on 04/30/2002 5:18:03 PM PDT by john in missouri
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To: uncbob
Eliminate Black and Hispanic statistics and the murder rate is probably under 4.0

How overall homicide rates compare for whites, hispanics, and blacks (both sexes)
Overall homicide rate per 100,000 for whites, 1999: 3.84.
Homicide rate for persons of Hispanic origin: 9.14.
Homicide rate for blacks: 21.94.

How homicide rates compare for white, hispanic, and black women
Homicide rate for women: 2.94.
Homicide rate for white women: 2.16.
Homicide rate for women of Hispanic origin: 2.99.
Homicide rate for black women: 7.83.

Bonus info on gun ownership and victimization of women (from our good buddies at Violence Policy Center):
27% of whites own a gun.
11% of hispanics own a gun.
16% of blacks own a gun.

Only about 8% of women own a gun.
I was unable to find figures for black women vs. white women, but if one assumes (based on the above info) that white people are 70% more likely to own a gun than black people... a bit of algebra leads me to make an educated guess that, probably:
Around 8.5% of white women own guns.
Only around 5% of black women own guns.

96% of women murdered are murdered by a male.
42% of female murder victims are black women.
Of the minority of women who own a firearm, the reason for ownership given by 85%: self-defense.

Violence Policy Center's response to this victimization of women by armed, violent, physically stronger men:
Demand that all legal handguns in the United States be banned and confiscated.

24 posted on 04/30/2002 5:19:35 PM PDT by john in missouri
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To: john in missouri
Sorry... difference between first and second posts is this note:

Of the minority of women who own a firearm, the reason for ownership given by 85%: self-defense.

I tried to abort the punch of the posting button (and thought I had).

25 posted on 04/30/2002 5:23:06 PM PDT by john in missouri
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To: white trash redneck; pro2A Mom; technochick99; Saundra Duffy; dbwz; basil; PistolPaknMama...
bump --
thought you guys might be interested in the comparisons in post 24.
26 posted on 04/30/2002 5:28:39 PM PDT by john in missouri
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To: Squantos
Most of the time, their eyes get wide and then a cold stare. It is about power and they know it. They don't want anyone else to have it. When I call them stupid, and then explain that is what they are doing, they never refute the comments, they charge into some other line of "reasoning" if you can call it that. Try something else. If they talk about how guns are horrible. Mention that you can't wait for the draft to start with women and that they really should learn about guns before they start boot camp. That only works with female teenagers.

Go up to hippy types and ask them do they really want only the military and police to be the only armed force in the country?

I went door to door for about six months collecting signatures to oppose the Oak Park, Illinois gun ban. I learned how to play to an audience and how to push people's buttons. And I don't mean their doorbell. Well, that too.

27 posted on 04/30/2002 6:56:26 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5
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HAAAAvAAAAd had better watch itself a hell of a lot closer than they have been.
Their reputation's, sooner or later, going to reflect their complicity in producing this level of garbage.
Once the name's shot, that's it.

...& you'd think the HAAAvAAAd brainiacs would know that, too.

28 posted on 04/30/2002 9:05:22 PM PDT by Landru
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To: john in missouri
Hey John, Thanks for the data and don't take this the wrong way but what's your reference and source for the data above aside from the HIC source you provide ?

I like to have my ducks in a row when I do battle with the unconstitutional socialist's and hate to be asked and not know.........

Stay Safe !

29 posted on 04/30/2002 10:17:50 PM PDT by Squantos
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To: john in missouri
Thanks J ... most fascinating. 2A BANG! &;-)

What irks me is the ONE place I need to carry is in the 'hood where I teach ... and I am not allowed to by law. My rights are being subverted by the nannie state!

30 posted on 04/30/2002 10:50:56 PM PDT by 2Trievers
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To: Squantos
Hey John, Thanks for the data and don't take this the wrong way but what's your reference and source for the data above aside from the HIC source you provide ?

All homicide rate data is from the online database for the Centers for Disease Control. All other data is pretty much from the Violence Policy Center web site, except the "around 8%" of women owning a firearm. Their site says 6.6%; some other stat I found (sorry, didn't track it too closely, you'll just have to do a Google search) said 9% -- I simply averaged the two and rounded to 8%.

The one remaining thing is my estimate of percentages of white and black women who own guns (about 8.5% & 5%). I derived this algebraicly from the following assumptions and round figures: I assumed 69% more white women own guns than black women, since that was true for all whites (both men and women). That's an assumption, but was the best info i had. Then I said, let's say 85% of women are white and 15% are black (I left out hispanics but since their homicide rate is similar to that of white women, I don't think it should matter). Then I calculated, on the basis that 8% of all women in America = the # of white women with guns + the # of black women with guns. The # of each is = % of each times the # of white/black women in America.

31 posted on 04/30/2002 11:00:02 PM PDT by john in missouri
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To: john in missouri
Hey, John, I own 17 guns of different varieties. I enjoy shooting trap/skeet and combat shooting. I think your data is incorrect.
32 posted on 04/30/2002 11:07:10 PM PDT by Slip18
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To: john in missouri
P.S. I was raised from two years old to 12 years old in Springfield, MO. Is that near you?
33 posted on 04/30/2002 11:09:13 PM PDT by Slip18
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To: john in missouri
Violence Policy Center's response to this victimization of women by armed, violent, physically stronger men:
Demand that all legal handguns in the United States be banned and confiscated.

Here's another way of saying that:

Violence Policy Center's response to this victimization of women by armed, violent, physically stronger men:

Demand that 7 million American women have their legally owned handguns, purchased for the express purpose of self-defense, forcibly confiscated and taken away from them -- permanently.

Demand that another 1 million American women have legally owned handguns taken away from them which were purchased for other reasons but which could quite readily be used for self-defense.

Demand that another 100 million women be barred, for the rest of their lives, from ever owning a handgun they could possibly use to actively defend their lives and persons.

34 posted on 04/30/2002 11:13:02 PM PDT by john in missouri
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To: john in missouri
Very interesting !!

Freedom Is Worth Fighting For !!

Molon Labe !!

35 posted on 05/01/2002 8:44:24 AM PDT by blackie
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To: white trash redneck
How did I miss this great article? Thanks for posting!
36 posted on 05/02/2002 5:12:48 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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