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Was Lincoln a Tyrant?
LewRockwell.com ^ | April 29, 2002 | Thomas DiLorenzo

Posted on 04/29/2002 10:04:22 PM PDT by davidjquackenbush

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Was Lincoln a Tyrant?

by Thomas J. DiLorenzo

In a recent WorldNetDaily article, “Examining ‘Evidence’ of Lincoln’s Tyranny (April 23),” David Quackenbush accuses me of misreading several statements by the prominent historians Roy Basler and Mark Neely in my book, The Real Lincoln:  A New Look at Abraham Lincoln, His Agenda, and an Unnecessary War With regard to Basler, I quote him in Abraham Lincoln:  His Speeches and Writings, as suggesting that on the issue of slavery, post 1854, Lincoln’s  “words lacked effectiveness.”  Quackenbush says he was not referring to Lincoln’s comments on slavery here, but other things.   I read him differently. What Basler said was that, yes, Lincoln used eloquent language with regard to human equality and “respecting the Negro as a human being,” but he offered no concrete proposals other than the odious colonization idea of his political idol, Henry Clay.  As Basler wrote, “The truth is that Lincoln had no solution to the problem of slavery [as of 1857] except the colonization idea which he inherited from Henry Clay.”  In the next sentence he mentions Lincoln’s eloquent natural rights language, then in the next sentence after that, he makes the “lacking in effectiveness” comment.  What I believe Basler is saying here is that because Lincoln’s actions did not match his impressive rhetoric, his words did indeed lack effectiveness. 

As Robert Johannsen, author of Lincoln, the South, and Slavery put it, Lincoln’s position on slavery was identical to Clay’s:  “opposition to slavery in principle, toleration of it in practice, and a vigorous hostility toward the abolition movement” (emphasis added).   Regardless of what Basler said, I take the position that Lincoln’s sincerity can certainly be questioned in this regard.  His words did lack effectiveness on the issue of slavery because he contradicted himself so often.  Indeed, one of his most famous defenders, Harry Jaffa, has long maintained that Honest Abe was a prolific liar when he was making numerous racist and white supremacist remarks.   He was lying, says Jaffa, just to get himself elected.   In The Lincoln Enigma Gabor Boritt even goes so far in defending Lincoln’s deportation/colonization proposals to say, “This is how honest people lie.”  Well, not exactly.  Truly honest people do not lie. 

The problem with this argument, Joe Sobran has pointed out, is that Lincoln made these kinds of ugly comments even when he was not running for political office.  He did this, I believe, because he believed in these things.

Basler was certainly aware of Lincoln’s voluminous statements in opposition to racial equality.  He denounced “equality between the white and black races” in his August 21, 1858 debate with Stephen Douglas; stated in his 1852 eulogy to Henry Clay that as monstrous as slavery was, eliminating it would supposedly produce “a greater evil, even to the cause of human liberty itself;” and in his February 27, 1860 Cooper Union speech advocated deporting black people so that “their places be . . . filled up by free white laborers.”  In fact, Lincoln clung to the colonization/deportation idea for the rest of his life.  There are many other similar statements.   Thus, it is not at all a stretch to conclude that Basler’s comment that Lincoln’s words “lacked effectiveness” could be interpreted as that he was insincere.  It also seems to me that Johannsen is right when he further states that “Nearly all of [Lincoln’s] public statements on the slavery question prior to his election as president were delivered with political intent and for political effect.”  As David Donald wrote of Lincoln in Lincoln Reconsidered, “politics was his life.”  In my book I do not rely on Basler alone, but any means, to make my point that Lincoln’s devotion to racial equality was dubious, at best.

Quackenbush apparently believes it is a sign of sincerity for Lincoln to have denounced slavery in one sentence, and then in the next sentence to denounce the abolition of slavery as being even more harmful to human liberty.  (I apparently misread the statement Lincoln once made about “Siamese twins” by relying on a secondary source that got it wrong and will change it if there is a third printing).

Quackenbush takes much out of context and relies exclusively on Lincoln’s own arguments in order to paint as bleak a picture of my book as possible.  For example, in my book I quote Mark Neely as saying that Lincoln exhibited a “gruff and belittling impatience” over constitutional arguments that had stood in the way of his cherished mercantilist economic agenda (protectionist tariffs, corporate welfare, and a federal monopolization of the money supply) for decades.  Quackenbush takes me to task for allegedly implying that Neely wrote that Lincoln opposed the Constitution and not just constitutional arguments. But I argue at great length in the book that Lincoln did resent the Constitution as well as the constitutional arguments that were made by myriad American statesmen, beginning with Jefferson.  In fact, this quotation of Neely comes at the end of the chapter entitled “Was Lincoln a Dictator,” in which I recount the trashing of the Constitution by Lincoln as discussed in such books as James Randall’s Constitutional Problems Under Lincoln, Dean Sprague’s Freedom Under Lincoln, and Neely’s Fate of Liberty Lincoln’s behavior, more than his political speeches, demonstrated that he had little regard for the Constitution when it stood in the way of his political ambitions.

One difference between how I present this material and how these others authors present it is that I do not spend most of my time making excuses and bending over backwards to concoct “rationales” for Lincoln’s behavior.  I just present the material.  The back cover of Neely’s book, for example, states that thanks to the book, “Lincoln emerges . . . with his legendary statesmanship intact.”  Neely won a Pulitzer Prize for supposedly pulling Lincoln’s fanny out of the fire with regard to his demolition of civil liberties in the North during the war.

Quackenbush dismisses the historical, constitutional arguments opposed to Lincoln’s mercantilist economic agenda, as Lincoln himself sometimes did,  as “partisan zealotry.”  Earlier in the book I quote James Madison, the father of the Constitution, as vetoing an “internal improvements” bill sponsored by Henry Clay on the grounds that “it does not appear that the power proposed to be exercised in the bill is among the enumerated powers” of the Constitution.  Thomas Jefferson, James Monroe, Andrew Jackson, and John Tyler made similar statements.  These were more than partisan arguments by political hacks and zealots.  The father of the Constitution himself, Madison, believed the corporate welfare subsidies that  Lincoln would later champion were unconstitutional. 

Add to this Lincoln’s extraordinary disregard for the Constitution during his entire administration, and it seems absurd for Quackenbush or anyone else to portray him as a champion of the Constitution who was pestered by “political zealots.”  Among Lincoln’s unconstitutional acts were launching an invasion without the consent of Congress, blockading Southern ports before formally declaring war, unilaterally suspending the writ of habeas corpus and arresting and imprisoning thousands of Northern citizens without a warrant, censoring telegraph communications, confiscating private property, including firearms, and effectively gutting the Ninth and Tenth Amendments. 

Even quite worshipful Lincoln biographers and historians called him a “dictator.”  In his book, Constitutional Dictatorship, Clinton Rossiter devoted an entire chapter to Lincoln and calls him a “great dictator” and a “true democrat,” two phrases that are not normally associated with each other.  “Lincoln’s amazing disregard for the . . . Constitution was considered by nobody as legal,” said Rossiter.  Yet Quackenbush throws a fit because I dare to question Lincoln’s devotion to constitutional liberty.

Quackenbush continues to take my statements out of context when commenting on the Lincoln-Douglas debates, and he refuses to admit that Lincoln did in fact lament the demise of the Bank of the United Stated during the debates.  His earlier claim that there was not a single word said during the Lincoln-Douglas debates about economic policy is simply untrue. 

But the larger context is that even though most of the discussion during the debates centered on such issues as the extension of slavery into the new territories, they were really a manifestation of the old debate between the advocates of centralized government (Hamilton, Clay, Webster, Lincoln) and of decentralized government and states’ rights (Jefferson, Jackson, Tyler, Calhoun, Douglas).  At the time of the debates Lincoln had spent about a quarter of a century laboring in the trenches of the Whig and Republican Parties, primarily on behalf of the so-called “American System” of protectionist tariffs, tax subsidies to corporations, and centralized banking.  When the Whig Party collapsed Lincoln assured Illinois voters that there was no essential difference between he two parties.  This is what he and the Whigs and Republicans wanted a centralized government for.  As Basler said, at the time he had no concrete solution to the slavery issue other than to propose sending black people back to Africa, Haiti, or Central America.  He did, however, have a long record of advocating the programs of the “American System” and implementing a financially disastrous $10 million “internal improvements” boondoggle in Illinois in the late 1830s when he was an influential member of  the state legislature. 

Lincoln spent his 25-year off-and-on political career prior to 1857 championing the Whig project of centralized government that would engage in a kind of economic central planning.  When the extension of slavery became the overriding issue of the day he continued to hold the centralizer’s position.  And as soon as he took office, he and the Republican party enacted what James McPherson called a “blizzard of legislation” that finally achieved the “American System,” complete with federal railroad subsidies, a tripling of the average tariff rate that would remain that high or higher long after the war ended, and centralized banking with the National Currency and Legal Tender Acts.  It is in this sense that the Lincoln-Douglas debates really did have important economic ramifications. 

Quackenbush complains that I do not quote Lincoln enough.  He falsely states that there’s only one Lincoln quote in the entire book, which is simply bizarre.  On page 85 alone I quote Lincoln the secessionist, speaking on January 12, 1848 (“The War with Mexico:  Speech in the United States House of Representatives”):  “Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better.  This is a most valuable, a most sacred right --a right which we hope and believe is to liberate the world.  Nor is the right confined to cases I which the whole people of an existing government may choose to exercise it.  Any portion of such people, that can, may revolutionize, and make their own of so much of the territory as they inhabit.”  That’s four sentences, by my count, and there are plenty of other Lincoln quotes in my book, contrary to Quackenbush’s kooky assertion.

But he has a point:  I chose to focus in my book more on Lincoln’s actions than his words.  After all, even Bill Clinton would look like a brilliant statesman if he were judged exclusively by his pleasant-sounding speeches, many of which were written by the likes of James Carville and Paul Begala.  Yet, this is how many Lincoln scholars seem to do their work, even writing entire books around single short speeches while ignoring much of Lincoln’s actual behavior and policies.

I also stand by my argument that Lincoln was essentially the anti-Jefferson in many ways, including his repudiation of the principle in the Declaration of Independence that governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed.  I don’t see how this can even be debatable.  The Whigs were always the anti-Jeffersonians who battled with the political heirs of Jefferson, such as Andrew Jackson and John Tyler.  Lincoln was solidly in this tradition, even though he often quoted Jefferson for political effect.  He also quoted Scripture a lot even though, as Joe Sobran has pointed out, he never could bring himself to become a believer.

In this regard I believe the Gettysburg Address was mostly sophistry.  As H.L. Mencken once wrote, “it is poetry, not logic; beauty, not sense.”   It was the Union soldiers in the battle, he wrote, who “actually fought against self determination; it was the Confederates who fought for the right of their people to govern themselves.”  Regardless of what one believes was the main cause of the war, it is indeed true that the Confederates no longer consented to being governed by Washington, D.C. and Lincoln waged a war to deny them that right.

It’s interesting that even though the title of Quackenbush’s article had to do with “Evidence of Lincoln’s Tyranny,” in fourteen pages he does not say a single word about the voluminous evidence that I do present, based on widely-published and easily-accessible materials, of Lincoln’s tyrannical behavior in trashing the Constitution and waging war on civilians in violation of international law and codes of morality.  Instead, he focuses on accusations of misplaced quotation marks, footnotes out of order, or misinterpretations of a few quotations. 

April 27, 2002

Thomas J. DiLorenzo [send him mail] is the author of the LRC #1 bestseller, The Real Lincoln: A New Look at Abraham Lincoln, His Agenda, and an Unnecessary War (Forum/Random House 2002) and professor of economics at Loyola College in Maryland.

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To: Ditto
Just think of all those "Southroon" socialist Presidents that could have been avoided but for the efforts of Saint Abe and his sacred "union"?
221 posted on 05/01/2002 12:37:37 PM PDT by muleboy
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To: Ditto
All and all, the South hasn’t produced a decent leader since James Monroe.

Don't forget Phat Phil Fulmer. ;-)

Phil is pretty Phat.

Walt

222 posted on 05/01/2002 12:48:51 PM PDT by WhiskeyPapa
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To: ravinson
DiLorenzo:

"Quackenbush ... refuses to admit that Lincoln did in fact lament the demise of the Bank of the United Stated during the debates. His earlier claim that there was not a single word said during the Lincoln-Douglas debates about economic policy is simply untrue."

You:

This is one of the few points on which I agree with DiLorenzo. Based on my quick word search of the debates, it appears that Lincoln did very briefly mention his belief that a national bank was Constitutional on several occasions, so McPherson overstated the single-issue nature of the debates somewhat. Of course, Lincoln's comments about the Constitutionality of a national bank severely undercuts DiLorenzo's attempt to paint Lincoln as anti-Constitutional.

I beg to differ. The issue here is whether Lincoln "made it a point" to promote his Clay-derived economic agenda in the debates. Of course Lincoln mentioned the long-standing Democrat opposition to the Bank, but his only point in doing so was to convict Douglas and the Democrats of inconsistency with regard to their support of Taney in Dred Scott.

Lincoln never argued, in the debates with Douglas, that the Bank should be revived, or was a good thing ... in fact, he never advocated, with regard to the Bank, the Homestead Act, the Transcontinental railroad, or the tariff, in the debates, anything like an economic agenda. But DiLorenzo says he did. Therefore, etc., Q.E.D.

What do you say to this?

223 posted on 05/01/2002 1:00:17 PM PDT by rdf
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To: muleboy
Just think of all those "Southroon" socialist Presidents that could have been avoided but for the efforts of Saint Abe and his sacred "union"?

How so? Why not Washington, or Madison or Millard Filmore? Why do you guys insist on slamming Lincoln for 20th Century socialists, all of whom easily won elections in Dixie.

LBJ, Carter and clinton were your boys, not mine. How about Wilson who hated Lincoln and loved socialists --- as long as they were segregationist socialists.

224 posted on 05/01/2002 1:00:39 PM PDT by Ditto
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To: rdf;ConfederateMissouri
I hope my reply meets with your approval.

Certainly. I stated that I could not find that quote in Basler's works anywhere, much less in the volume and pages cited. I'm sure ConfederateMissouri feels as I do, that IF Lincoln had said it - it would fine to attribute it to him. But I refuse to resort to lies to prove my position, and I'm sure he agrees.

225 posted on 05/01/2002 2:12:54 PM PDT by 4CJ
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To: Non-Sequitur
Never happen, for the simple reason that 4ConservativeJustices is a class act.

LOL - have I fooled you that well? In all seriousness thank you. The feeling is mutual.

226 posted on 05/01/2002 2:17:28 PM PDT by 4CJ
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To: 4ConservativeJustices
Yeah, you're a great guy...for a Reb. And I'm a prince of a fellow...for a Yankee. Not stop it before I get all blubbery and begin singing Kumbya or something.
227 posted on 05/01/2002 2:32:54 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: muleboy
Yeah, the confederacy would have had a President Clinton, a President Johnson, a President Carter and not us. Thanks a lot, you load of quitters.
228 posted on 05/01/2002 5:32:18 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
I highly doubt a developed Confederate States would have made such errors, but I don't know if the world would have survived President George Wallace.
229 posted on 05/01/2002 6:34:23 PM PDT by muleboy
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To: ConfederateMissouri
It would be nice to have a confirmation from you, and to end this matter here.

The quote is bogus. 'Nuff said.

Best wishes,

Richard F.

230 posted on 05/01/2002 6:38:40 PM PDT by rdf
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To: ConfederateMissouri; 4ConservativeJustices
Alas!
232 posted on 05/01/2002 7:14:10 PM PDT by rdf
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To: rdf
I beg to differ. The issue here is whether Lincoln "made it a point" to promote his Clay-derived economic agenda in the debates.

That may be the more relevant point, but I was just addressing the narrower issue of whether Lincoln mentioned the Constitutionality of a national bank in any debates. My narrow point was that McPherson was technicallly inaccurate when he stated in Battle Cry (page 182) that "banks ... received not a word in [the Lincoln-Douglas] debates."

Here's what Lincoln stated in the Ottawa debate:

"I have said that I have often heard [Douglas] approve of Jackson's course in disregarding the decision of the Supreme Court pronouncing a National Bank constitutional. He says, I did not hear him say so. He denies the accuracy of my recollection. I say he ought to know better than I, but I will make no question about this thing, though it still seems to me that I heard him say it twenty times. I will tell him though, that he now claims to stand on the Cincinnati platform, which affirms that Congress cannot charter a National Bank, in the teeth of that old standing decision that Congress can charter a bank."

The same argument was made by Lincoln in Galesburg (where I was born 100 years too late to hear it), and Douglas finally responded to that argument thusly:

"He has cited General Jackson in justification of the war he is making on the decision of the court. Mr. Lincoln misunderstands the history of the country, if he believes there is any parallel in the two cases. It is true that the Supreme Court once decided that if a Bank of the United States was a necessary fiscal agent of the Government, it was Constitutional, and if not, that it was unconstitutional, and also, that whether or not it was necessary for that purpose, was a political question for Congress and not a judicial one for the courts to determine. Hence the court would not determine the bank unconstitutional. Jackson respected the decision, obeyed the law, executed it and carried it into effect during its existence; but after the charter of the bank expired and a proposition was made to create a new bank, General Jackson said, "it is unnecessary and improper, and, therefore, I am against it on Constitutional grounds as well as those of expediency." Is Congress bound to pass every act that is Constitutional? Why, there are a thousand things that are Constitutional, but yet are inexpedient and unnecessary, and you surely would not vote for them merely because you had the right to? And because General Jackson would not do a thing which he had a right to do, but did not deem expedient or proper, Mr. Lincoln is going to justify himself in doing that which he has no right to do. I ask him, whether he is not bound to respect and obey the decisions of the Supreme Court as well as me?"

Again, I am not asserting that anything was said by Lincoln or Douglass in their debates regarding banks (or anything else) that was unrelated to their discussion of slavery issues (which so thoroughly dominated their debates that any other subject was merely of footnote status). And certainly DiLorenzo is way out in fantasyland in contending that "protectionist tariffs, tax subsidies to corporations, and centralized banking ... [are] what [Lincoln] and the ... Republicans wanted a centralized government for."

Radical Republicans wanted most of all to abolish slavery as soon as possible, and Lincoln, though a moderate who hoped that abolition could be accomplished gradually by converting Southern political leaders into enlightened Jeffersonians, in the end became a de facto radical due to circumstances beyond his control (i.e. Southern militant bullheadedness).

Of course, responding to Southern militant bullheadedness was an expensive proposition, and tariffs were raised to pay for the war (whereas the Confederates relied on the cruelest tax -- inflation). Nevertheless, tariff revenue during the war never reached the percentage of GNP it had reached during the War of 1812, and it dropped steadily off the table after the Civil War. (Source.) DiLorenzo ignores this important contextual point, and he also ignores the fact that the Morill tariff was passed as a way to deal with the Buchanan/Breckinridge federal deficit.

Perhaps more importantly, DiLorenzo, who is supposedly an economist, curiously ignores the relative economic magnitude of the slavery issue. Since the Confederates in 1860 placed a value of $3 billion on the slaves they held, any claims by DiLorenzo, Lew Rockwell, et al. about tariffs being a major factor in the Civil War are laughable, since even when tariff rates topped out during the height of the Civil War, they only brought in a small fraction of the annual return Southern slaveholders received as a result of their continued use of $3 billion worth of slave labor. So even if you ignore the social value the Confederates placed on perpetuating slavery, the economic threat posed by the abolitionists was enormous.

Lincoln of course realized this, and that is why he tried to come up with some way to soften the blow of abolition to the slaveholders in order to do everything practical to avoid a civil war. Colonialization of liberated refugees may sound like a pretty flaky scheme in the detached comfort of retrospect, but such a scheme was in fact actually implemented in Israel in the aftermath of World War II. Lincoln also proposed paying compensation to slaveholders as part of abolition, but that was rejected even in the border states at a time when any slaveholders in semi-contact with reality should have realized it was the best deal they would ever receive.

It seems that Southern slaveholders were the hopeless addicts of the 19th Century. DiLorenzo and their other heirs apparent appear to be just as hopeless when it comes to a reasonable discussion of the Civil War era.

235 posted on 05/02/2002 12:55:23 AM PDT by ravinson
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To: davidjquackenbush
Always eager to be proven wrong, I would love to see the text you have in mind.

See my Post #235 above.

Always keeping in mind, of course, that this all started because DiLorenzo said that Lincoln "championed" the "corrupt Whig economic agenda" in "virtually every one of the Lincoln Douglas debates." This, I think we all agree is an entirely different and totally unsupported claim.

You are quite correct.

236 posted on 05/02/2002 1:12:55 AM PDT by ravinson
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To: Mortin Sult
I did post the number of convictions the last time you brought this up. If you've forgotten, that's too bad. Yep, you're obviously the same person who used the nick "Who is George Salt". You're still leaving words out of your sentences and looking like someone who doesn't speak English as a result.

Why do you frauds have to switch screen names all the time? Is it to try to create the impression that you're more than a few nutcases? All your abandoned nicks are still FR accounts; Llan Deussant, The Cruiser, Who is George Salt, and probably a dozen more that you used before I registered.

237 posted on 05/02/2002 5:25:11 AM PDT by Twodees
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To: ravinson
Well, I see that you are staying to the strict topic of "mentioning" the constitutionality of the Bank. But surely the relevant point is that not one sentence in Lincoln's remarks in the debates has for its purpose making a statement about economic policy that is not wholly subordinated to his point about slavery.

Perhaps the "not a word" business has the slightest rhetorical overkill in it. But really, not much. Is it not true that Lincoln utters not a word in the debates whose purpose is to make an economic point for its own sake? Do you think the text you posted is an exception to that statement? The immediate context of the remark you cite makes it clear that Lincoln is only talking about it in order to convict Douglas of inconsistency in his demand that Republicans accept Dred Scott. There is not even the slightest aside about the bank issue in itself, of the sort: "which decision, by the way, I support."

I'm all for being fair, but it seems to me on the question of whether Lincoln discussed economics as a point of debate in the Lincoln Douglas debates, the answer is simply and absolutely, no.

Please don't think me grumpy about your post. I just don't think we need to help DiLorenzo escape from the being convicted as an absolute liar on this point.

238 posted on 05/02/2002 7:17:55 AM PDT by davidjquackenbush
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To: ravinson
I wrote:

"Always keeping in mind, of course, that this all started because DiLorenzo said that Lincoln "championed" the "corrupt Whig economic agenda" in "virtually every one of the Lincoln Douglas debates." This, I think we all agree is an entirely different and totally unsupported claim."

And you replied,

You are quite correct.

Thank you. I think anyone who takes the time to read the debates would agree with you.

May I draw back a bit, and draw attention to the main thesis of the first part of DiLorenzo's book? It is, so far as one can make it out, that Lincoln's political aims were an economic agenda and a politically centralizing agenda, and that he really had little interest in the injustice of slavery, or in the polices that might finally end it. Since the general opinion of citizens and scholars alike is that slavery was paramount in the events bringing Lincoln to the White House, DiLorenzo must debunk that view first.

It was for that reason DiLorenzo brought in the mention of the Bank, characterizing it as he did, and claiming that Lincoln "made it a point" to bring up, not just the word "Bank" but an economic agenda.

Now, in point of fact, the bank issue is subordinated entirely, by both Lincoln and Douglas, to the question of the authority of Supreme Court decisions and precedents, in order to score points on the current Court issue, namely Dred Scott. But that is, materially, a slavery issue.

Thus, DiLorenzo's "evidence," with reference to his thesis, comes to exactly nothing. To borrow from Lincoln, he finds the words, "horse chestnut" and mistakes them to mean a chestnut horse.

Thanks again for you reply,

Richard F

239 posted on 05/02/2002 7:25:16 AM PDT by rdf
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To: davidjquackenbush
Good Morning!

It's funny that we were typing our replies simultaneously.

DiLorenzo's squirming on this reminds me of the old anti-Catholic joke regarding the Jesuit who was on trial for killing three men and a chicken, and in his defense, triumphantly produced the chicken, alive.

Cheers,

Richard F.

240 posted on 05/02/2002 7:32:32 AM PDT by rdf
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