Missouri senator introduces measure on `hotel sex bash' in St. Louis County

St Louis Post-Dispatch ^

[cardinal4]

JEFFERSON CITY, Mo. (AP) -- As promised, a state senator on Tuesday called for an investigation into whether an upcoming sex workshop on bondage, domination and sadomasochism is legal and safe.

The resolution by Sen. John Loudon, R-Ballwin, calls for the state health department and attorney general to investigate the safety and legality of such events.

[billbears]

My position is this. The Founders when writing the Constitution based it upon a moral and religious people. Adams himself even said as much. If morality is gone, then the Constitution has a problem being applied because people will use it as an excuse for anything. The BOR has been used to justify everything from abortion to beastiality. Surely you aren't suggesting that the Founders had those things in mind as 'rights' when they wrote the document?

[Persuasion]

If we cant decide whats right or wrong on our own,and Im talking moral issues here,not felonies,we're already doomed. I cant believe the opposition Im getting over this!

No, it is when we all do that we're doomed. When everyone does what is right in his or her own eyes, corruption is what ensues. This has always been the case historically. That's why we have laws. They bring stability.

[Persuasion]

Look. Read the article. No one is stopping the "bash". They're having an investigation to see if everything is safe and legal.

That's perfectly within their rights, and certainly the saftey of the citizens is their business.

[cardinal4]

Im also not advocating anarchy or lawlessness.Just responsible legislation.Missouri has more important things to deal with in my opinion.

[Stone Mountain]

The government can regulate obscenity.

It can? As far as I can tell, the government can't even define obscenity, let alone regulate it...

[Phantom Lord]

No, I am not suggesting that. But my position is that it is not the business of the government what goes on between me and my wife (in my case) regarding sexual activity and practices. As long as it is not occuring in public view.

[Phantom Lord]

To say that there is not an attempt or search for a way to shut this down is to ignore reality.

[Stone Mountain]

Senator Louden is no "fool".

Perhaps, but he's acting pretty foolishly here. He's wasting government money on adults who are acting in a way that is both legal and consensual. And he's given a ton of publicity to this convention that it wouldn't have gotten before. I heard Howard Stern mention this on his show - how many more people are going to attend this convention that would never heard of it if Louden had just let it go?

The Last Temptation of Christ would have been an anonymous failure of a movie if it hadn't been protested and picketed by those who didn't want it to be seen...

[Stone Mountain]

The government regulates morality all of the time. That is the purpose of things called "laws".

Some of us believe that the purpose of laws is to protect peoples' rights, not to regulate their morality...

[Persuasion]

To say that everything that is private and legal is nobody's business is the same.

[weegee]

Why is polygomy prohibited?

[Persuasion]

Some of us believe that the purpose of laws is to protect peoples' rights, not to regulate their morality...

Where do rights come from?

[cardinal4]

Some of us believe that the purpose of laws is to protect peoples' rights, not to regulate their morality...

Exactly.

[weegee]

Enron broke plenty of existing laws: embezzlement and conspiracy to commit fraud (2 sets of books) among them.

[Persuasion]

Im also not advocating anarchy or lawlessness.

What is the difference between whatever it is you're talking about and these things?

[Persuasion]

Enron broke plenty of existing laws: embezzlement and conspiracy to commit fraud (2 sets of books) among them.

Certainly there were already illegal things as well.

[weegee]

Why not invite the participants over to your home rather than holding it in a hotel?

And before you answer, consider that some neighborhoods have also kicked out tenents who had established webcam-sex houses. These places had no extra traffic to their residence because of the business they operated (just several women rooming together and occassionally having sex together for the webcam), but because they operated in the sex trade, their location could be restricted.

[maxwell]

"Beat Me in St. Louis"

Bwahaha... Dibs on the jakuzi suite...

[billbears]

You and your wife, no. However, the problem is that true deviants use the laxation of certain laws to further their agenda. For example, sodomy while against the law is not enforced. However, what is enforced is the 'alienation of affection' law. Still in effect, and people still lose money and can go to jail for breaking up a marriage. I've heard several NC lawmakers' speeches against this law because if homosexuality is not enforced, why should punishment against breaking up a marriage be enforced?

Mind you the men who passed that law and the sodomy law were peers of, if not signers of the original Constitution. But here in 'enlightened' days, everything goes. To return to the Founder's ideals, which would be best? Enforce sodomy or break down the last vestiges condemning adultery and further destroying responsibilities found within marriage? I reckon at this rate, marriage will be obsolete within two to three decades. How long will it be from there, that NC recognizes same sex partners? Here in Apex, it'll be awhile but over in Chapel Hill, or even Asheville where it's rampant they'll be jumping for joy on that day

[cardinal4]

The point of my posting the article was to show my view of what can happen when one persons view,based on morality, attempts to become law.Again see my posts 13,38.I find these practices as abhorrent as most.Im just trying to point out that attempting to regulate morality can lead to other regulation as pointed out in earlier posts.