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I suggested the AR-30 Lapua instead but he insists that now is the time to buy a .50, that there is still ample time to purchase a Lapua in his view.

I admit he may be correct. Thanks for the help.

1 posted on 04/22/2002 9:48:39 AM PDT by wardaddy
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2 posted on 04/22/2002 9:49:21 AM PDT by wardaddy
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I have the AR-50. It is very well made, and very heavy. Because of the muzzle brake, it cannot shoot saboted rounds though. Make sure he knows that.

/john

3 posted on 04/22/2002 9:51:23 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper
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well a 50 cal is definately a gun that may be extinct soon. Esp. as they can shoot through an engine block, effectively disabling the vehicle. That and having an effective range of over 1 mile. A gun with those abilites surely can't go unnoticed by law makers for too long.
5 posted on 04/22/2002 10:17:27 AM PDT by Alternate_Heaven
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6 posted on 04/22/2002 10:19:59 AM PDT by wardaddy
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Here's my Barrett, (Sitting in the back) best of the bunch for the money. (About $3k plus scope.) Shoots as straight as the ammo you're using will allow, built like a tank, easy to field strip, (about 20 seconds) and looks cool to boot. Never had a single problem with it either, and the folks at Barrett are the best when it comes to customer service.


7 posted on 04/22/2002 10:21:22 AM PDT by Henchster
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IMO, you should loan him the money entirely "off of the books," and should not acquire any property interest in the rifle in question. Primary reason: lack of control of the actions of another...
15 posted on 04/22/2002 10:40:14 AM PDT by tracer
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My experience is with the Barrett M-82. All around great gun, and as another poster remarked, Barrett customer service is very good. I also have fired a Serbu 50 and was impressed with the quality of the rifle and the efficiency of the muzzle brake.

One thing about the Barret (and all of the others I suspect) is that anyone standing anywhere other than directly behind the rifle is gonna get some severe blast and concussion from the brake when fired. At Knob Creek, you can pick out the sound of the Barrett over all of the other guns being fired. A very loud and sharp report.

I agree with your brother, fiftys are gonna recieve a lot of scrutiny and attempts to ban them. The govt already started with the demilled ammo by cutting off the supply of components. Good stuff is still available, but you'd better get it while you can. Right now, Wideners in Johnson City TN, has IMI loaded rounds for about a dollar each, and that's cheaper than you can realistically hand load. I expect that situation to change soon.

Good luck, and enjoy.

21 posted on 04/22/2002 10:45:04 AM PDT by wcbtinman
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I concure with Squantos... Same manufacturers in that same order.

If he is looking for ammo, let me know. My business partner just got back from Bagram - with 100 rounds of API that someone put in the bottom of his pack as a practical joke. He wondered why everyone kept asking "is your back was hurting yet, old man?"

Regards,

23 posted on 04/22/2002 10:46:07 AM PDT by Raven6
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McMillan Brothers offers a fine .50 BMG bolt action. You can look them up on Google - mcmfamily.com. There is about a six month wait as the guns are built to order and their orders are that deep right now, according to their production manager. They have several options - single-shot or box magazine, fluted SS bbl., etc. I have fired one of their guns and am considering one for myself. I have a .308 or their manufacture - excellent gun.
25 posted on 04/22/2002 10:47:13 AM PDT by toddst
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I've got a BFG, and I've been as happy with it as any gun I've ever owned. Fit and finish are excellent and Mark is a really great guy to deal with.

The BFG will set you back about 2 grand, then you need rings, scope, and bipod if you prefer.

It's a regular bolt action rifle, not a shellholder or breechloader. It's a true sub moa gun. It probably shoots much better than I can shoot it. I've only shot it out to 400 yards so far, but am planning to hit the 1000 yard range soon. Some Guys on the .50 cal bulletin board I hang out at claim 6 inch, 3 shot groups at 1000 yards with hand rolled ammo.

As far as the recoil, there really isn't much, thanks to the brake. I can shoot it all day and my shoulder doesn't feel the least bit sore the next day. The concussive pressure it throws out is what takes a bit to get used to. My nose tingles like somebody punched me in it every time I set a round off. You never want to shoot it with a hangover! ;)

Mark has a semiauto version in the works which is supposed to retail for about 5 grand. I'm already saving my pennies!

.50 cal bulletin board Serbu Firearms

31 posted on 04/22/2002 11:06:59 AM PDT by FatherTorque
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If at all possible, buy one from "some guy", i.e. private seller so that there is no paper trail.
32 posted on 04/22/2002 11:08:46 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants
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Gee, funny you should ask. This is what I've been doing this week. The owner is standing next to me as I shoot his L.A.R Grizzly. Forget about the Shotgun Similarity reasoning. When these bad boys decide to go to the rear, you can't stop it. There is no problem with the shoulder, it's your head that whips forward. Also a bare arm on a rough table isn't a problem either. The scope just kissed my glasses so I was lucky unlike the owner who now has a black eye. I was concentrating on the target which was a bowling pin at 400 yards.

I can't really say there is much difference between the makers. I would go with a single shot with no magazine because you can forget about follow-up shots and you'll save a thousand or two or three. The scope is a cheap $39 Tasco that held up for the morning[so far so good].

35 posted on 04/22/2002 11:14:58 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5
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Some wise folks think that the EDM Windrunner is the most accurate out there. It also has the advantage of taking down simply (without tools) to a small package less than 32 inches long.

Taken down in case:

42 posted on 04/22/2002 11:27:06 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed
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I think .50 rifles are overrated to the extreme:

1. They change owners quite a bit.

2. The ammo can be a tad expensive for 'accurate' shooting, and the .50 BMG that's priced well is usually de-linked surplus MG ammo that's got questionable accuracy.

3. Some of them aren't as accurate as the owner expects them to be, and they become a real letdown (See Item #1). This is especially true after spending $1500+ on scopes for a $3000+ rifle. Few of them are ever going to be as accurate as a genuine M-2 .50 is off the tripod.

4. If it's a bolt-action .50, it can be absolutely brutal on the shoulder (See Item #1, again).

5. All I know is that when .50 BMG shooters talk, they praise the 'Windrunner' and the semi-auto Barrett.

It's just my opinion, but if it were me:

I'd completely ignore the .50 rifles and get a *real* long-range accuracy rifle like the Accuracy International AW/M.

Every time I see a .50 gunner at the range, all they're really doing is denying people on both sides of them a lane to shoot on (thanks to the side-blast of their Soviet tank-styled muzzle brake) and firing much further away than they can even see or score. The range I go to doesn't even have a shot longer than 500 yards. What's the point?

I would have a hard time not busting out laughing if your pal came to my range with a $5500 "ultra-accurate" rifle that shot 9" groups at 300 yards at several bucks a shot even using a bipod (See #1, yet again).

I have witnessed that firsthand.

45 posted on 04/22/2002 11:33:55 AM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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I personally like the .408 CheyTac or .338 Lapua but BMP is cool.
Make sure you have a range in your area which lets you shoot BMP. Most exclude .50BMP which is why I like CheyTac.
47 posted on 04/22/2002 11:38:22 AM PDT by Zathras
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If he really wants a .50BMG, go hang out at Bigger Hammer for a while. Sounds like a Barrett or Serbu is his best bet.

Before one gets a .50BMG, one should get a GOOD .308 first, and take both the Cooper General Rifle course at Gunsite (for "practical" uses) and the Long Range Rifle course at Storm Mountain (for "sniper" uses) to learn how to use it right. A good .308, and solid training in its use, will be far more useful than a .50BMG.

65 posted on 04/22/2002 1:27:52 PM PDT by ctdonath2
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I am enjoying the information and the pics. Noting for my Christmas Wish List.
68 posted on 04/22/2002 2:17:27 PM PDT by Deguello
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Whatever you do... BUY IT OFF PAPER!
76 posted on 04/22/2002 4:46:29 PM PDT by HetLoo
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Mac Bros.w/ Lilja barrel, Vais brake, Swarovski glass and Arizona Ammo.

Lather, rinse, repeat.

81 posted on 04/22/2002 6:41:38 PM PDT by nunya bidness
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Bump.
96 posted on 04/24/2002 8:24:39 AM PDT by SevenDaysInMay
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