Posted on 04/19/2002 8:35:39 AM PDT by Registered
I agree with you. This is the main reason I disbelieve the govt story and instead think there were bombs inside Murrah. Also, the eye-opening videos of the OKC newscasters reporting in real-time that day that other bombs were removed from the wreckage, and then reporting that FBI agents confirmed to the news reporters that they were BIG bombs, that didn't detonate.
I've seen this stated numerous times, that buildings across the street were not damaged. Nothing could be farther from the truth!
A. Two large churchs on corners directly SE and SW of the Murrah Bldg, on 4th street were heavily damaged.
B. The Athenai building NW west of the Murrah bldg, and the building occupied by the water resources board next door to the Athenai had to be demolished since the damage was so extensive. If memory serves, the water resources building suffered fatalities.
C. The Journal Record building directly north of the Murrah bldg was extensively damaged, and many injuries.
D. Smaller structures blocks away had structural damage and had to be destroyed.
Note that the two churches were partially shielded from the blast by the Murrah building its self, and the buildings directly north and on the NW corner were at minimum (best guess) 200 feet from the entrance to the Murrah bldg where the truck was parked.
Also note, the truck was parked a sidewalk width away from the front wall of the Murrah building.
I dont know where the story of other buildings "right" across the street not being damaged came from. As a resident of OKC, I can assure all that "right" across the street isn't a very good picture of where those buildings stood, pre April 19th.
Finally, NO, I don't want to enter into a drawn out pi$$ing contest with anyone. If you doubt me do the research. There must be some old maps around. The Daily Oklahoman archives will have extensive coverage.
Regards
That's interesting, I didn't know that. So when faced with a steel reinforced bldg, ammonium nitrate would not be the explosive of choice.
The "Survivor Tree" was a stripped and virtually destroyed tree, that came back to life slowly later in the spring. Have you ever seen a tree pruned back to just the trunk and a few short branches? Some trees thrive on that and will spring back quickly. Such is the survivor tree.
Slightly off subject, but still on trees. A friend of mine had his house destroyed, utterly and completely, by the May 1999 tornado that caused havoc and 50 odd deaths in central Oklahoma. His two-inch trunk silver leaf maple, planted in his front lawn the fall of '98 survived!
Also, I'm curious. Wouldn't there be gas mains under the street where the truckbomb sat? I would think if the truck put out enough blast to destroy a substantial multi-story bldg, it would rupture the gas lines under the street and cause a big fire as well, no?
Even dynamite, laid on top of a concrete loading dock, would do little damage --- unless "tamped" with sand on top of the dynamite (according to my father who was working on demolition of the docks at an Air Force base in Georgia when I was in high school).
He was also a Patriot and did his duty as a soldier when the government murdered civilians. The government had 2 years to investigate the criminal activities that occurred at Waco, but the Democrats decided to play politics instead.
McVeigh was guilty of acting without authorization. Even in a combat zone, nobody is allowed to go around killing unless they have been authorized to do so. Although I fully agree with his reasons, the death penalty he received was justice well served.
Yes, I would convict him for war crimes!
On the day McVeigh was executed, I stood at attention and saluted him until his actual death was announced. What he did was very wrong, but the reason behind his action is something I strongly support.
Sorry, but McVeigh acted with honor, even if done without authorization. He was not a terrorist, since his target was the BATF and FBI. A terrorist will target innocent civilians.
I will not accept the trashing of his name by linking him with Iraq.
I didn't come to this conclusion casually. If you don't want to be absolutely shocked when the truth comes out (and it will some day), I would suggest that you read all you can, starting with stuff here about David Schippers.
Domestic and Foreign Terrorists in OKC Bombing Can Collaborate for Future Attacks
Didn't they use ANFO and a Ryder van in 1993 to attempt to blow up the WTC? I recall seeing pictures showing that it was parked next to a reinforced wall which reflected the explosion outward. It also removed at least two floors from the parking garage but left the support beams basically intact.
Regards
J.R.
I think I understand your point, that mcveigh acted against a tyrranical bigoted unjust liberal governments deed of mass murder in Waco.
Well I agree as far as that goes. But mcveigh committed a terrorist act of mass murder upon innocent civilian man, women, and children.
timothy mcveigh was a disgusting example of subhuman vermin who tore innocent children into pieces en masse, he should have died in as hideous a fashion as his "unauthorized" adventure in terrorist mass murder caused his innocent victims.
Nothing can be expected to be beneath the kind of vicious reptile that kills indiscriminately like mcveigh did, so making a case he was in cahoots with other subhuman vermin should not be hard.
turds of a feather, you see.
LOL
The ship explosion caused many other fires and explosions throughout the area - a lot of refineries, oil and chemical storage.
Regards
J.R.
Not really. The ship was some distance from what was destroyed (as someone pointed out earlier, blast effects are substantially reduced by distance). The truck was just a few feet away. Proportionally, it works out about the same.
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