Posted on 04/19/2002 8:35:39 AM PDT by Registered
By ALL REPORTS, the "Murrah Crater" was less than SIX INCHES!!
There are also NUMEROUS VERIFIABLE REPORTS of UNEXPLAINED Inspectors in the Murrah Building Prior to the "Blast," --& Numerous reports of "Unexploded Ordinance" in the building AFTER the "Bombing!!"
The WHOLE "Murrah Incident" SMELLS!!
Believe What You Will---the OKC Bombing has NOT been properly explained or "attributed!!"
IMHO
Doc
The "Khobar Towers Crater" was over SIX FEET DEEP!!!
The "Murrah Building Crater" was about Six Inches Deep!!
The "Discrepancy" should BOTHER us----A LOT!!!
Doc
Remember that now famous photgraph of the fireman carrying the injured (now deceased) little boy from the building? Would you like to be remembered as being responsible for that child's death? Do you think the MURDER of that little boy is worth saluting? The struggle for America will be won by winning the hearts and minds of Americans ---- not aping the terror tactics of pyschotic, mass murdering Arab terror bombers.
Mrs Kus
The Info is here (on FR ) on some older Threads------LOOK IT UP!!
The General Conclusion is that an ANFO Bomb--BY ITSELF--DID NOT "Bring Down" the Murrah Building!
Since this subject has been discussed at length--SEVERAL TIMES,--& since the "FR Conclusion" includes SUBSTANTIAL, EXPERT opinion that the "Murrah Incident" was NOT "Home-Grown Extremists,"--I am Forced to wonder about your Motive in this discussion!
WHY is it Important to you that the "Murrah Bombing" was the result of a Local "Right-Wing Whacko!!??"
MOST of us on FR believe that the evidence implicates Islamic Extremists! WHY would you have us believe otherwise??
Doc
You're claiming that the government had to cover a crater that's was six inches deep in case some fell into it?
BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Then - for the Nth time - what kind of damage should one expect from two tons of ANFO detonated 6 feet from a medium-sized building? (Considering documented histories of ANFO blasts listed above, exactly what we saw in OKC.)
I am Forced to wonder about your Motive in this discussion!
Gasp! Sigh! You are FORCED to wonder!
My motive? Simple curiosity as to why a truckload of ANFO cannot do what it plainly did, coupled with similar no-question documented ANFO blasts. And why some people (you) are so he11-bent on proving a conspiracy where one is completely unnecessary.
WHY is it Important to you that the "Murrah Bombing" was the result of a Local "Right-Wing Whacko!!??"
'cuz that's what the facts indicate. Occam's Razor fits the standard explaination very nicely.
WHY is it Important to you that the "Murrah Bombing" was the result of a Vast self-contradicting "Gov't-and-International Conspiracy!!??"
C'mon, now: you're contending that a few Right-Wing Whackos, the USA Gov't, and foriegn terrorists - groups that vicerally and actively hate each other - all worked together in a complex secret conspiracy to perpetrate a massive bombing of a day-care center. Riiiiiiiiight.
MOST of us on FR believe that the evidence implicates Islamic Extremists! WHY would you have us believe otherwise??
Because MOST of us on FR do NOT believe that slobbering ranting. Sure, there's a few who keep recycling rumors until their pet theories find "facts", but most believe McVeigh & Co. just did what a number of citizens want to do, and could do cheaply and easily if so motivated.
The PHYSICS of the "Murrah Building 'Blast'" are NOT COMPATIBLE with current "Bomb Damage Theory" when the Current "Terry Nichols ANFO Bomb" physical parameters are applied to the "Blast" & the "Level of Destruction!"
There are SEVERAL EXPERT OPINIONS which CONFIRM that the "Murrah Building Destruction" COULD NOT HAVE BEEN the result of the "relatively Weak" ANFO Blast!!!
There are MULTIPLE Threads alluding to this anomaly!!
I Suggest you check with "OKC SUBMARINER" BEFORE you ASSUME that the OKC Bombing was a "Product of the "Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy!!"
Doc
Again: how much ANFO is required to do that degree of building damage?
The fact that you're not answering, and instead frothing about tangents, makes me wonder what your agenda is...
Your last "post" to me uses an old "Debating Technique" favored by those who are IGNORANT of (or are incapable of Refuting) IRREFUTABLE FACTS which UTTERLY REFUTE your assertions!
THE HISTORICAL FACTS (Sadly) imply that you are a LIAR or a BADLY MISLED fool!!
Take Your Pick!
Doc
GO to the "OKC Submariner Threads, etc," I Referred you to------------The info that refutes your delusions is ABUNDANTLY AVAILABLE @ the 'Sites I've referred you to!!
"Come Back" when you have "Studied the Facts of the Issue!!"
Otherwise, your IGNORANCE is embarrassing to BOTH of US!!
Doc
Just one number and associated units. That's all I ask. If you can't do that, then there's no reason to spend time reading anything else you so passionately refer me to. If you'll do that, I'll believe that maybe there is something to the material and have a look.
It's just a simple and extremely relevant question which you should have no problem finding the answer to and posting: how much ANFO is required to do the kind of damage seen at OKC?
The Info you regard as "SO IMPORTANT" is posted on SEVERAL of the MANY Referrals I have given you (More than once)! I find your accusations (absent ANY indication that you studied 'OKC Submariner's' data) IGNORANT & Self-Serving!!
You have Descended to the "Not Worth an Answer" category!
READ the "OKC SUBMARINER" info----THEN " Challenge Me!!"
Doc
'Texas City just blew up'
The second explosion, 16 hours after the Grandcamp blew up, came from another ship loaded with fertilizer.
The High Flyer, its turbines down for repairs, had been loaded with 961 tons of ammonium nitrate Ñ slightly more than what exploded on the Grandcamp.
X pounds versus several tons. Exponential?
With the enactment of the Patriot Act I doubt anyone will answer that question.
"How did you come by that knowledge?" "Who are your friends?"
Look it up for yourself and figure it out.
Home Workshop Explosives
by Uncle Fester
Whew man...almost anything you want to know about is out there.
As discussed in the section on the World Trade Center (see Part Three, Section C, pp. 132-134, supra), Williams' method of determining weight is impressionistic and depends on his VOD estimate, which is itself speculative. As noted in that section, other members of the EU do not routinely estimate the quantity of the explosive from a damage assessment because the placement and confinement of the explosive have a significant effect on the amount of the damage. Nevertheless, we concluded in the Trade Center case that Williams' size estimate of 1,000-1,500 pounds, which he characterized as a ballpark figure, was not, as such, an unreasonable opinion because he offered such a broad range.
With respect to the weight of the explosive, Williams' Oklahoma City report differs from his trial testimony in the Trade Center case in two respects. First, the Oklahoma City report does not offer a broad range but limits the estimate to approximately 4000 pounds of ANFO.
Second, it appears that Williams' opinion was based in part on the recovery of receipts showing that defendant Nichols purchased 4,000 pounds of ammonium nitrate.
No practice runs...nothing?
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