[JohnHuang2]

Friday, April 19, 2002

Quote of the Day by kattracks 4/19/02

[Concentrate]

Hi John. It's good to know some folks are making a difference, not the least of which has been through your tireless efforts. Thanks, whoever you are.

[bybybill]

Idiots like Shamaya [who is he anyway] with their all or nothing attitude, really hurt those that truely believe in the 2nd amed. Was he ever heard of "nose of the camel"? When off duty cops are able to start stopping crimes cause they are armed, it will move us closer to nationwide right to carry for all of us.

[Myrddin]

Nearly every anti-gun law passed in California contains an exemption for law enforcement. I have a problem with that. The 14th amendment requires that laws apply to all persons equally. It is unconstitutional to give preference to one group of citizens (law enforcement) vs all others. It is in a sense a "bill of attainder" that legislatively punishes all persons who at NOT members of the named group by imposing punitive restrictions to firearm ownership and use. The Constitution explicitly forbids any "bill of attainder".

[Ajnin]

Law enforcement officers get paid to excercise the second amendment while civilians, especially in states like CA have to pay and ask for permission from an unsympathetic government to excercise what is supposed to be an unrestricted freedom. In most cases civilians are held to a far higher standard of self defense then law enforcement officers. Civilians, in most cases have to use their bare hands to fight off an attacker with a gun or a knife whereas a cop can theoretically use a weapon with an unlimited cyclic rate of fire and ammo capacity. I think we need to even the playing field a bit before we start giving cops more freedom.

[CWRWinger]

I agree with Shamaya.

We don't need any more 'laws', to begin with. The Second Ammendment clearly states, "...shall not be infringed."

Off duty police officers should carry their personal concealed weapon just like any other citizen. Crossing state lines should not be a problem, either according to the Constitution.

BTW, IMO, these legislators like to write laws simply to see their own names in print, legacy builders.
Also, every policeman I have known (not too many), carried a concealed weapon off duty, bogus laws go hang.

[Maelstrom]

You're a 2nd class citizen, get used to it.

[Shooter 2.5]

I'm usually for anything that the NRA supports but I really have a problem with this one. The NRA is taking a huge risk in supporting a Bill that is designed to change people's minds about concealed weapons. The anti's complain that they don't want to be around anyone with guns and the Bill would change the average voters minds about that. It's about putting guns in the hands of as many law abiding citizens as possible. I just hate the special privleges of some of our legislature.

The reality of it is that I became one of those special privleged citizens when I found that I paid enough money to gain my Second Amendment Rights through my CCW license that I shouldn't have had to pay for, train for or ask permission.

[Dan from Michigan]

You don't find too many bigger NRA defenders than me. I have a lot of problems with this.

Amend this to all CCW holders, and I back it. As of now, I oppose this. When I see people like Bob Andrews, Rod Blagojevich, and Pat Kennedy cosponsor this, it usually ain't a good thing.

I like the NRA, but friends can't be perfect.

[George Frm Br00klyn Park]

Guys, This is a BAD bill! I have had this discussion with local and state FOPs in relation to these laws making the police "superior" to the populace as a whole. Such laws as making the killing of a LEO a death penalty offense regardless of circumstance, giving special local groups the right to carry and others not, and a couple of others. The leaders are between a rock and a hard place on this, but the individuals I talked to ended up agreeing with me.

These laws that "give" LEOs more "rights" than the "average" law abiding citizen only INCREASE the "us vs them" attitude on both sides and create more animosity that just ain't necessary.

SOCIALISM can only exist with different classes of people UNDER THE LAW!! Our Constitution guarantees all citizens with EQUAL protection under the law eliminating the possibility of socialism in any of its many forms. This law actually CREATES different classes that are different under the law. If that ain't un-constitutional, then what is??? Peace and love, George.

[EBUCK]

"Just imagine the deterrent to crime if more than 1 million trained and equipped law enforcement professionals – active and retired – were allowed to be armed so they could utilize their skills," he said.

Just imagine the deterent to crime if more than 150 million trained and equiped citizens, active and retired - were allowed to be armed so that they could utilize their skills!! Whoa Nelly, who do I rob when everyone right down to that little 'ol lady could be , and probably is, packin?

EBUCK