Or they'll say that because all those off-duty cops are carrying, "we" don't have a need to. Remember, they're looking for an excuse to thwart us.
If off-duty cops should carry because they're cops, then they should be on-call 24/7 because they're armed.
No special privileges.
If I thought that the cops would turn around and help us once they "got theirs," then I might support this.
Really? Ever heard of "divide and conquer"? Do you REALLY think all the retired cops in this country who are now for ALL of us being able to do this will still work to see that the rest of us are given our RIGHTS,once THEY have this right? If you do,Shamaya ain't the idiot.
Was he ever heard of "nose of the camel"? When off duty cops are able to start stopping crimes cause they are armed, it will move us closer to nationwide right to carry for all of us.
No,it won't. It will weaken our case.
Don't support bad legislation just because it seems to be better than what you have now. If this is passed it will NOT be a stepping stone to national reciprocity, it will be a stone wall to it.
PLMerite is right, and you are wrong. Any citizen who has a state concealed-carry license should be allowed to carry concealed in any other state--just as any holder of a driver's license can drive in any other state.
This statement just shows you how misinformed you are, take the time to go to the www.keepandbeararms.com web site and you will disover who Shamaya is. Furthermore, once you allow cops & ex-cops to carry, it will simply put more pressure against legislators to disallow CCW permit holders. I've been fingerprinted 3 times, paid the FBI for 3 background checks, pay for the RIGHT to carry I've been checked out more throughly than airport security people, politicians, etc. Cops are no different than citizens, in fact most cops are poorly trained in regards to defensive use of firearms. You might find that hard to believe but it's true. I can assure you that I'm better trained than the local cops in my area especially in regards to defensive use of firearms, except perhaps for SWAT, and I had to pay for my training. Allowing Cops this privledge is unconstitutional in my opinion, it places cops & ex-cops "above the law". The right to carry anywhere should extend to all persons, and anyone who prohibits the right to self-defense which results in injury or death should be held culpable, just as some states have felony-murder laws (hope you know what that is), likewise there should be similar laws related to the denial of self-defense. I, for one, can assure you that if I'm ever injured as a result of being denied my right to carry, I will be first in line to file a lawsuit.
Ideally, yes. But in reality, no -- not in my opinion.
What I think will happen is that Cops will just happily take their guns anywhere (as they should be able to do) and forget about other citizens who have not been given their special privilage.
I think this is just another step down the road to a police state. Another instance of making the government 'special' (cops work for the government, just local instead of federal) and another wedge between them and the citizenry.
Most of all, I *do not* think passage of this will lead to any wider and more egalitarian acceptance of all citizens being allows to keep and bear arms, as the 2nd Amendment is supposed to ensure.
Tuor
The problem isn't with "idiots like Shamaya". Every single spokesman and leader of every single pro-gun organization supports the Right of police officers to carry in other states, just like they support the Right of Free Americans to do the same.
The problem is with the suck-ups and politicians in leadership positions in the police organizations. They support the "annointed ones" being able to carry in other states, but don't want the "serfs" to have the same Right.
Until they start supporting the "serfs", it is stupid to give them what they want without getting what we want at the same time. THEY are the problem, not pro-RKBA groups.
When off duty cops are able to start stopping crimes cause they are armed, it will move us closer to nationwide right to carry for all of us.
Let me paraphase from your line. "Idots like bybybill" who have not studied nor researched, nor been involved in this second amendment battle like Angel need to check the record before you insert you foot sock, shoe, and leg.
When you study the results of CCW by 4.5 million citizens the benefit is 99.999 percent benefit to the holder of the firearm. No JOE PUBLIC standing next to this LEO with CCW.
Bybybill you just got to get a life. First of all the only crime this off duty officer is going to stop is crime against him! Not crime against you and I.
Bybybill babybill you got to wake up and smell the coffee and get back under the rock you hide under..
If you want to talk issues, even I can handle your arguement, you see I know Angel and you can't hold a candle to Angel.
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Are you sure about that?