Posted on 04/17/2002 8:45:48 AM PDT by KMC1
Be afraid, be very very afraid. Last night on Fox News Channel on Brit Hume's Special Report, Brian Wilson reported on the comparison between the new TV show that mimics the Supreme Court and the actual Supreme Court as they both ruled on cases dealing with "virtual child pornography". The TV version voted 7 to 2 in the same direction that the actual Supreme Court voted (6 to 3). It would have been 7 to 2 in the actual had Sandra Day O'Connor taken a little more of her medication that morning.
In Ashcroft vs. Free Speech Coalition (a pornography trade, lobbying, and activist group), the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that images can show children having sex, children can be shown in nude or erotic poses, children can perform sexual acts, children can be shown having sex with adults, children can be shown having sex with their own or opposite gender. The only catch - as long as they are not actual children being shown. Sound Confusing? Well it is.
Yesterday's ruling basically opens the way up to allowing pedophilia, child porn, and child molestation to be a major theme of everything from movies to printed materials - as long as they can prove that, the children depicted aren't actually children.
Getting the Court to rule this way obviously thrilled the ACLU and other pro-porn groups across our nation. It obviously deeply cut the groups that are trying to stop one of our nation's most cruel vices from spreading. So what should we expect? More of the same from as best I can see it.
With the publication of the University of Minnesota Press book released three weeks ago promoting the idea that sex between children and adults is just neato keen, and now being followed up with the ruling from this court that children can be made legitimate sexual objects on screen, parents - be afraid, be very very afraid.
Load the shotguns, carry your concealed weapons and suspect every creep that talks to your kids in the grocery store. At the rate the U.S. is going you might just have to shoot someone to literally save the innocence of your own child.
Harsh rhetoric - hardly. Why is the pope this week bringing all the bishops from around the world to meet to discuss the issue of homosexual pedophilia (and a few isolated cases of heterosexual too) amongst the servants of the church? Why is the North American Man Boy Love Association still in business and doing better than ever before? What is the great defense as to why we should not allow children to be sexualized on film - even if adults are playing them or a computer generated them?
(Too be read with a whiny little voice while holding one's nose) "Because we might not get to see films like Traffic or American Beauty." I didn't see Traffic though I am aware that it was nominated for Best Picture the year it came out. But I did see American Beauty which was deemed 'Best Picture'. This little political perverted statement - made through the eyes of a Pretendlander as director - wished to paint the middle class conservative family in America as nothing more than twice adulterating, homophobic, pedophilic, drug addicted, twisted rot. The director's anger against the "right wing" was focused into an attempt to say, "this is how conservative middle class America REALLY lives". Pretendland loved it - that's way they rushed it to the Academy to be deemed "the best of the year". But church going America for the most part yawned as it came and went - it didn't represent most American families - and we knew it.
Pretendland has evidently wielded its logic to the halls of the Supreme Court. But what it has done in the meantime is make every child in America - more vulnerable to the stalking of men who wish to prey on little boys and girls.
I'm sorry Mr. & Ms. Justices of the Supreme Court - but you struck out on this one. Your reasoning was lame. Your decision was even worse.
Maybe you will wear it as a badge of honor that you made child porn the new "fetish du jour", but please take note, you weakened Americans today.
Thank goodness there is that 2nd Amendment! It's there just in case we need to protect ourselves day to day. You may be sitting there saying, "C'mon what's with all the 'protectionism'?" If that's you, well, never mind you won't ever get it anyway. For the rest of you, lock and load, and be very afraid, be very very afraid!
It's not confusing to me... Just like a toy gun is not a real gun.
That is already legal, provided their grandchildren are 18 or older.
No.
This law was little different from most gun control laws, which are based on the premise that someone might do harm with an item, rather than focusing prosecution efforts on what harm is actually done. Actually, this USSC ruling might be a useful precident for restoring the 2nd Amendment...
Distasteful or not, the ONLY factor in this decision should be whether there is injury to children. There is not injury with "virtual" child porn, i.e. computer generated animation or young-looking adults.
I think this decision may actually benefit children, because the sicko scumbags who enjoy child pornography may no longer seek out children to have sex with (and record it on video). Now, they can simply view computer simulations, potentially leaving children untouched.
I'll play along, then. I am fully aware of the material that will be available after the ruling. "Virtual" child pornography, featuring images and videos of children in various sexual poses and situations will be available. The children so depicted will be entirely imaginary, and will not exist in the real world, but in the near-future, the images and depictions of "virtual" child-pornography may be indistinguishable from images and videos of actual child sexual abuse. As a result, it is possible that in some cases, child molesters will indeed use such material to lure children into abuse. Some children may be harmed or killed as a result of this decision.
I fully and freely accept all that as a possible result of this decision. I understand and accept the possible implications of this decision.
I still think they made the right decision.
Lest you think I have no personal stake in this, my children are 7 and 2. I think it was the right decision, but I accept the possibility that it will cause harm to some.
Now it's your turn. Why don't you tell me what the potential negative consequences and implications of banning this material might have been?
I merely commented that using real children via morphed imaging was, and still is, illegal. You seemed to indicate that Napolitano said that analysis is wrong.
People who find the distinction fiction and reality "confusing" used to be housed in institutions where they could be properly cared for. Now, they blast their delusions to the world on street corners, WYLL.com, NEWSMAX.com, RFMNews.com, and FederalObserver.com.
Bingo. I hope they overturn CFR.
However, if the courts cannot find justification in the law to make illegal something which is as blatantly bad for society as cyber-kiddy-porn, then I am concerned.
It may be time for people to start taking action against organizations that promote this kind of thing. The PETA and EarthFirsters do it on the left, maybe it is time for those of us on the right to start responding in kind.
Child pornography incites child abuse. Period. If someone were to molest my child, after double-tapping him (or her) twice in the ten ring, my next order of business would be to remove from this earth those who materially contributed to the crime.
If the courts will not act, then we should.
The issue of morphed images of children, in this context, fall under existing child porn laws and U.S. Supreme Court precedent that clearly keep the practice illegal -- without getting into libel laws.
I don't know what is so confusing about this. It is pretty straightforward to me. What do you find confusing about it?
Yeah, I can. That's why I don't want to agree with it. As perverse as it is, it's one of those "where do you draw the line" questions.
Personally, I'd push the line a lot further back. But can we do that constitutionally?
(Former)Judge Napolitano is not the be all end all authority on the ramifications of court decisions and (GASP!) could be off the mark(as I suspect).
I still think they made the right decision.
So you believe that promoting child pornography (real or virtual matters only to the subject of a photo, not to those who feel its ripple effects) despite the fact that it will without a doubt increase the sexual abuse of children?
You're quite a dad. I'm guessing you'd be singing a different tune if one of your children were abused by someone who was desensitized to the evil of child abuse by virtual kiddy porn. So, what say you: Would you just accept it if your child were abused and chalk it up to collateral damage in the extension of the 1st Amendment to cover perversity, or would you suddenly grow a pair and act like a man?
First, this has not been shown. Second, we don't ban expression because it could conceivably encourage evil behavior; to do so opens the door to total censorship of all media.
Would you just accept it if your child were abused and chalk it up to collateral damage in the extension of the 1st Amendment to cover perversity, or would you suddenly grow a pair and act like a man?
Your personal attack is uncalled for. Additionally, this is a complete non sequitor; nothing in this ruling diminishes the crime of abusing *actual* children.
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