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Southern pride rising ... rankling
4-14-02

Posted on 04/13/2002 10:36:17 PM PDT by JohnnyReb1983

RALEIGH, N.C. (2001-01-25) Vicky Poston is a Reb with a cause.

When Alcoa Inc. banned Confederate symbols from workers' cars at its North Carolina plant last year, Ms. Poston did something rare for a propriety-conscious Southerner: She took to the streets in protest.

As big rigs honked in support and a protester waved the battle flag from a Ford Mustang convertible, Poston and 150 activists pushed the big aluminum firm to scale back its ban on Confederate license plates, bumper stickers, and other regalia.

After years of enduring similar prohibitions on things Confederate, emboldened Southerners are increasingly donning their Dixie duds and unfurling traditional state flags in defense of embattled Southern heroes and symbols.

From the palm-fronded streets of Charleston, S.C., to the historic storefronts of Selma, Ala., the movement reflects a reawakening of traditional Southern pride and a strong sense of regionalism.

Indeed, the growing backlash against efforts to take down the flag - including the recent legislative battles in South Carolina, Georgia, and Mississippi - may signal a deeper shift in Southern culture. The rise of a new political class of Confederate sympathizers indicates that many are ready to reawaken Confederate ideals such as states' rights and sovereignty.

To be sure, Southern partisanship evokes images of Jim Crow and slavery to much of the country. And ominous motives may well lie behind some of the activists. Yet experts say many of those embracing the new movement are driven more by regional pride, resistance to the Federal government, and a desire to reconnect with a lost heritage. They'd like to recast the South as the last bastion of civility, independence, and constitutional ideals.

Critics, though, see darker tones in the surge in Southern pride - and a collision with the values of the New South.

"These guys are very much building the intellectual capital which they hope to make the foundation for a ... reborn Confederacy," says Mark Potok, editor of the Southern Poverty Law Center's Intelligence Report in Montgomery, Ala. And the size scares him. "You have 9,000 and 15,000-person membership rolls, huge groups littered with PhDs, doctors, and lawyers, which are vastly more politically dangerous than any Klan or neo-Nazi group could ever be."

Southern partisans are certainly rallying the troops:

*Last Saturday, more than 2,000 people showed up in Atlanta to celebrate the birthday of Confederate General Robert E. Lee - most years, the celebration draws about 300 people.

*Southerners are increasingly putting up new Confederate monuments along the South's tobacco roads. A statue of a controversial Civil War general went up near a black neighborhood in Selma, Ala., late last year.

*This weekend, League of the South will open its North Carolina State University chapter in Raleigh - one in a string of recent gambits to bring Southern youths back to Confederate ideals. The director says the league's South Carolina chapter saw a 300 percent increase in membership last year.

*After a five-year planning period, the Southern Party was formed last year in Asheville, N.C. It advocates regional independence and the end of the South's role as "the nation's whipping boy."

In perhaps the greatest show of Confederate unity yet, thousands of battle flags went up on memorials and front lawns across South Carolina the day they removed the flag from the statehouse last June. "It was like Christmas in Cuba," says Mike Tuggle, the leader of a Southern independence group in Charlotte, N.C.

Some say the pro-Southern activities are in part a reaction to anti-Southern efforts. "People are having to stand up for what they believe in," says Chris Sullivan, editor of the conservative Southern Partisan magazine in Columbia, S.C.

Despite an explosion in their numbers, these new Confederate sympathizers, like their forefathers, are still outnumbered.

Southern partisans are losing the big battles. A travel boycott by the 500,000-strong NAACP finally pushed the South Carolina legislature to move the Southern cross state flag from the top of the State House to a nearby soldier's memorial. On Wednesday, facing a similar boycott threat, Georgia's House of Representatives voted to redesign the state flag to minimize the Southern cross.

And in what promises to be a bellwether gauge of the feelings of the New South, Mississippi residents will go to the polls for an April referendum to decide what to do about the Confederate insignia on their state flag.

While many Southerners claim the St. Andrew's cross is a proud symbol of a heritage and principles their forefathers fought to save, others call it an "ugly memory." They recall the 1950s, when many state capitols unfurled it as a show of Southern defiance against federal desegregation measures.

And the idea that the country has decided to erase all things Southern is unfounded, says Potok. "The war occurred, and there's no point in pretending it didn't. Besides, removing all signs of the Civil War is a little akin to the Soviets airbrushing assassinated leaders out of photographs."

In the end, the reawakening of Confederate ideals is about much more than tugging on an old flag. Deeper historical, religious, and political forces are at work, says Walter Williams, chairman of the economics department at George Mason University in Fairfax, Va. "A lot of this might be the resurrection of some ... issues that led up to the War Between the States in 1861," he says. "Specifically, the heavyhandedness of the federal government. And that's why you're seeing a lot of renewed interest in the 10th Amendment and states' rights."

At least in the South, the old Confederate ideas have found fresh root in the red Dixie clay. "I think it comes down to the simple fact that [people] are alienated in modern life," says Mr. Tuggle. "There are a lot of changes going on.... The Confederate heritage gives you something very important to hold onto."


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To: aimlow
The states with the largest numbers of members were Indiana and Illinois at one time. There's still far more klan activity in those states than there is in the South. The klan is on the same side as the SPLC and NAACP. Without each other, none of them could exist.
141 posted on 04/19/2002 6:03:48 AM PDT by Twodees
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To: JohnnyReb1983
In five years I should be ready to emigrate to my spiritual homeland, Virginia. I wonder if I'll need a visa?
142 posted on 04/19/2002 6:06:54 AM PDT by Kozak
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To: JohnnyReb1983
Texas southern bump for later reading.
143 posted on 04/19/2002 6:09:56 AM PDT by ladtx
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To: Twodees
Nonsense. Delaware is a northern state, no matter how you spin it.

And a slave state, where writing Jim Crow laws was as natural as breathing.

You tried to skew perception of these events through disinformation and you got caught.

Walt

144 posted on 04/19/2002 6:14:51 AM PDT by WhiskeyPapa
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To: WhiskeyPapa
That is an outright lie. I made a plainly worded statement. Where do you think Delaware is? In the South? Almost every single eastern state was a slave state at one time or another, so if any of them adopted Jim Crow, they're automatically part of the South so that Jim Crow can be a Southern phenomenon?

You don't do much face to face debating, do you?

145 posted on 04/19/2002 9:27:38 AM PDT by Twodees
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To: Twodees
That is an outright lie. I made a plainly worded statement.

You made a plainly worded statement designed to distort the record.

Walt

146 posted on 04/19/2002 10:26:47 AM PDT by WhiskeyPapa
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To: Twodees
I know you've really tried. I know you are intelligent. I know you are honorable. Why, why, do you try to debate this moron? while he occassionally makes a legit point he more often ignores legitimate points made by others, chosing instead to change the subject or obfiscate. It's like arguing with a drunk. You could hit him over the head with the truth and he would argue that it didn't count because the blow was not administered properly. Sometimes you just gotta accept that some people will not accept the truth and move on.
147 posted on 04/19/2002 10:40:45 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost
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To: Twodees
Southern Pride is the only American Pride left

I'll beg to differ ... this Californian is DAMNED proud to be an American

148 posted on 04/19/2002 10:48:38 AM PDT by clamper1797
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To: JohnnyReb1983
Here's one Yankee who will defend your right to acknowledge your history and past. Screw the PC liberals! Fly the flag.
149 posted on 04/19/2002 10:53:40 AM PDT by stevio
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To: sheltonmac
The Confederates were merely defending their home states from a government they viewed as oppressive

And they were right ... unfortunately they had'nt know just how oppressive it would get in later years or General Lee would NOT have surrendered ... per his statements after the war.

150 posted on 04/19/2002 10:56:30 AM PDT by clamper1797
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To: stevio
I fly my Stars and Bars right next to my Stars and Stripes on my deck EVERY DAY right here in the Peoples Republic of Kaliforistan
151 posted on 04/19/2002 11:02:02 AM PDT by clamper1797
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To: Twodees
Your wife and daughter are black? No kidding? I sometimes wish my wife was black so I could use it as a zinger in these "mulitcultural" classes that assume all white males are racist. I do live in a "black" neighborhood so I use that instead.
152 posted on 04/19/2002 11:07:22 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost
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To: Lee'sGhost
I know better than to debate him. What I'm doing is letting him show his ignorance enough that there will be no reprieve from the site owner the next time this moron gets drunk and makes a profane atack on people. That's right, an AM banned him and the site owner put him back on in within hours.

Anyway, he only gets me to engage him by butting in when I'm responding to someone else. He's a communist, and he, along with all of his little sniffling neocon pals are showing themselves beautifully here lately.

153 posted on 04/19/2002 6:01:37 PM PDT by Twodees
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To: Lee'sGhost
Yep, both of my beloved ladies are the loveliest shade of brown I've ever seen. Being blessed with the love of those two is what I'm grateful for more than anything.

My wife is descended from a branch of the Hairston family, which is well known in Virginia and North Carolina as a family made up of every shade of color that occurs in the South and they proudly gather together, white, black, tan and brown for reunions. I'm happy to be included as a cousin among all the rest of the cousins in her family by virtue of my marriage. I have some married kin who I wish I had grown up with as blood kin.

154 posted on 04/19/2002 6:12:22 PM PDT by Twodees
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bump
155 posted on 04/19/2002 6:50:15 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: proudofthesouth
If the sh*t truly ever hits the fan in our country and it comes down to fighting a war on our land, it will be the SOUTHENERS who will save the country from tyranny!

I don't know, when the sh*t hit the fan back in 1861 it was the Northerners who kept the country from being split apart.

156 posted on 04/19/2002 7:10:14 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: JohnnyReb1983
Southern pride. It can be hurt, but it will never cease.
157 posted on 04/19/2002 7:13:42 PM PDT by PatrioticAmerican
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To: Non-Sequitur
You mean like the USSR did? "For the union..." BS. The North was simply greedy. It never had a thing to do with "country".
158 posted on 04/19/2002 7:15:07 PM PDT by PatrioticAmerican
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To: PatrioticAmerican
BS. The North was simply greedy. It never had a thing to do with "country".

Sure it did. For the North it was all about preserving the Union. For the south it was about preserving slavery.

159 posted on 04/19/2002 7:16:43 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: JohnnyReb1983
Mark Potok, editor of the Southern Poverty Law Center's Intelligence Report in Montgomery, Ala. And the size scares him. "You have 9,000 and 15,000-person membership rolls, huge groups littered with PhDs, doctors, and lawyers, which are vastly more politically dangerous than any Klan or neo-Nazi group could ever be."

Politically dangerous to whom, you Socialist, Statist Puke?

God help anyone that has a different opinion than the SPL...and thank God for the First Amendment...

160 posted on 04/19/2002 7:17:53 PM PDT by Abundy
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