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1 posted on 04/11/2002 9:08:06 PM PDT by Pokey78
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To: Howlin; Miss Marple; summer; mombonn; Sabertooth; beckett; BlueAngel; JohnHuang2...
Ping for the PNPL.
2 posted on 04/11/2002 9:08:56 PM PDT by Pokey78
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Thanks, Pokey. I am praying.
3 posted on 04/11/2002 9:18:08 PM PDT by Miss Marple
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But isn't it odd that in a world full of geniuses, no one has an answer?

This is the kernal of essential truth in this entire piece. We still live in a world of random and evil - not everything is programmed and predictable.

Just because a question is asked doesn't mean there must be an answer. How vain of us to think otherwise.

4 posted on 04/11/2002 9:19:31 PM PDT by TexasNative2000
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To: Pokey78
Peggy is amazing. Prayer is desperately needed. No one knows what the answer is, but a little forgivenss and a little healing would go a long way...
10 posted on 04/11/2002 9:32:38 PM PDT by Sunsong
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To: Pokey78
But isn't it odd that in a world full of geniuses, no one has an answer? Isn't it amazing that the whole highly sophisticated, technologically evolved, psychologically and historically astute world feels so at the mercy of this drama, so unable to help it or end it?

Ms. Noonan does a great job with these sentences of setting up her main idea. While I wouldn't want people to take this article to say that we shouldn't fight at the appropriate time, her main idea that peole must turn to God is very sound. I think one reason that people are so stressed about the fighting in the Middle East is that they believe that they are gods in their own right. They worship a wide variety of technological messiahs, and they expect those technological messiahs to solve every problem and deliver them from every danger. Even without the danger, the Middle East is frustrating to them because none of their technological messiahs will solve the problem. They have to realize that they aren't God and can't be responsible for every situation. That realization is a tremendous blow to people who see themselves as the ultimate product of millenia of evolution and not as humble creatures made in their Creator's image.

WFTR
Bill

11 posted on 04/11/2002 9:33:15 PM PDT by WFTR
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I don't pretend to be a genius but I've been in some hairy spots in my life. Enough of that to know that force is sometimes all that will work even temporarily and that negotiating is weakness to some. I am troubled by our mixed signals. I liked Bush's clearer vision in the weeks following 9-11.
12 posted on 04/11/2002 9:36:30 PM PDT by wardaddy
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To: Heuristic Hiker
Interesting perspective ping
14 posted on 04/11/2002 9:40:00 PM PDT by Utah Girl
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To: Pokey78
Peggy burdens all wannabee writers with despair. We have so far to go.
15 posted on 04/11/2002 9:48:50 PM PDT by cookcounty
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And everything you know of life and history tells you that Israel will not surrender; and that, as the writer Ron Rosenbaum, who normally speaks with a voice that is more cerebral than visceral, said this week in the New York Observer, "This is the way it is likely to happen: Sooner or later a nuclear weapon is detonated in Tel Aviv, and sooner, not later, there is nuclear retaliation--Baghdad, Damascus, Tehran, perhaps all three. . . . The unspoken corollary of the slogan 'Never again' is: 'And if again, not us alone.' "
See http://www.observer.com/pages/story.asp?ID=5715:
This column ran on page 1 in the 4/15/02 edition of The New York Observer.

‘Second Holocaust,’ Roth’s Invention, Isn’t Novelistic

by Ron Rosenbaum

"The Second Holocaust. It’s a phrase we may have to begin thinking about. A possibility we may have to contemplate. A reality we may have to witness. Somebody has to think about the unthinkable, about the unbearable, and the way it looks now, it’s at least as likely to happen as not. One can imagine several ways it will happen: the current, terrible situation devolves from slow-motion mutual slaughter into instantaneous conflagration, nuclear, chemical or biological. Scenarios that remain regional. Scenarios that go global.

What is harder to imagine are ways in which it won’t happen. A peace process? Goodwill among men? An end to suicidal fanaticism? In your dreams.

Instead we must begin to examine the variety of nightmare scenarios...

...As a secular Jew, I’ve always been more of a diasporist than a Zionist. I’ve supported the Jewish state, but thought that it was a necessary but not ideal solution with a pronounced dark side: The concentration of so many Jews in one place—and I use the word "concentration" advisedly—gives the world a chance to kill the Jews en masse again. And I also thought that Jews flourished best where they were no longer under the thumb of Orthodox rabbis and could bring to the whole world—indeed, the whole universe—the exegetical skills that are the glory of the people: reading the universe as the Torah, as Einstein and Spinoza did, rather than the Torah as the universe, as the Orthodox do.

But the implacable hatred of Arab fundamentalism makes no distinction between Jewish fundamentalists and Jewish secularists, just as Hitler didn’t. It’s not just the settlements they want to extirpate, it’s the Jewish state, the Jewish people.

This is the way it is likely to happen: Sooner or later, a nuclear weapon is detonated in Tel Aviv, and sooner, not later, there is nuclear retaliation—Baghdad, Damascus, Tehran, perhaps all three. Someone once said that while Jesus called on Christians to "turn the other cheek," it’s the Jews who have been the only ones who have actually practiced that. Not this time. The unspoken corollary of the slogan "Never again" is: "And if again, not us alone."

So the time has come to think about the Second Holocaust. It’s coming sooner or later; it’s not "whether," but when. I hope I don’t live to see it. It will be unbearable for those who do. That is, for all but the Europeans—whose consciences, as always, will be clear and untroubled."


17 posted on 04/11/2002 9:51:41 PM PDT by RonDog
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To: Pokey78
Peggy nails it once again!
24 posted on 04/12/2002 3:13:56 AM PDT by jokemoke
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To: Pokey78
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25 posted on 04/12/2002 5:06:53 AM PDT by lodwick
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To: Pokey78;firebrand
A Noonan ping...
26 posted on 04/12/2002 5:34:10 AM PDT by Dutchy
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To: Pokey78
The king ponders and agrees. Later a friend asks the servant why he made such a stupid, impossible vow. The servant said, "Well, in a year the king may die, or I may die. Or the horse may laugh."

Good advice (buy time, because time may bring an unexpected solution, such a Arafat dying of natural causes), but like most advice, conditional. Conditional meaning being able to decipher whether waiting will 1) possibly make things better, 2) leave you where you were before starting the waiting period or 3) make things much worse than if you didn't wait. One way to answer this dilemma is to calculate who will get "stronger" faster during the waiting period, you or your adversary. I don't know the answer, but I hope Bush/Cheney/Rice/Powell do have the answer.

27 posted on 04/12/2002 6:56:16 AM PDT by FairWitness
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To: Catholic_list; father_elijah;
Bump
36 posted on 04/12/2002 8:06:48 PM PDT by OxfordMovement
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To: Pokey78
Bump for a great read. I e-mailed this article to several friends earlier today.
37 posted on 04/13/2002 7:34:06 PM PDT by beGlad
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