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Bush pullout demands make him target of Israeli ire
Reuters ^

Posted on 04/09/2002 1:56:05 PM PDT by RCW2001

Bush pullout demands make him target of Israeli ire  
    By Matt Spetalnick 
    ELON MOREH, West Bank, April 9 (Reuters) - Members of an 
Israeli tank brigade waging an offensive in the West Bank found 
a unique way to show how they felt about the U.S. president -- 
they adopted a stray dog and named it "George W. Bush". 
    "He's a cowboy," one soldier said as the brown pit-bull 
terrier prowled an Israeli hilltop encampment overlooking the 
city of Nablus.  
    "He barks a lot," said a second.  
    "But he's useless," another chimed in. 
    Bush's ever more strident demands for an end to Israel's 
12-day-old military campaign in Palestinian areas has struck a 
sour note among army commanders and their troops -- a reflection 
of growing resentment among the Israeli public as a whole. 
    "If the U.S. had this problem of terrorism, they wouldn't 
ask for permission. They would finish the job like they did in 
Afghanistan," said Commander Oran Ben Goya, head of Israeli 
forces in the eastern part of Nablus, the scene of some of the 
heaviest fighting of the past few days. 
    Opinion polls show an overwhelming majority of Israelis 
support the operation, which the army has depicted as an effort 
to crush a "terror infrastructure" behind a recent spate of 
suicide attacks in a Palestinian uprising against occupation. 
    Many Israelis believe Bush has turned against the Israeli 
campaign because he wants to mollify Arab states to shore up his 
global anti-terror alliance ahead of possible military action 
against Iraq. 
    Since the Jewish state can ill afford to alienate its chief 
ally and provider of $3 billion in annual aid, most commentators 
believe a pull-out will be well under way by the time U.S. 
Secretary of State Colin Powell arrives at the end of the week.      
RUNNING OUT OF TIME 
    Israeli commanders expressed deep frustration that they were 
running out of time to complete their mission. 
    "I don't think we will be able to do all we wanted to do," 
Ben Goya said. "That means we may have to come back again." 
    Israeli forces have fought fierce battles, house by house 
and alley by alley, in Nablus's ancient casbah market area and 
in a refugee camp in the nearby city of Jenin. Both have been 
subjected to heavy bombardment by tanks and helicopter gunships. 
    Army officers say soldiers stationed at Elon Moreh, a Jewish 
settlement overlooking Nablus, peer down with high-powered 
telescopes on neighbouring refugee camps and see Palestinian 
gunmen roaming freely. 
    But officers say they have yet to strike key militant 
strongholds in the camps and are increasingly doubtful they will 
be allowed to undertake such operations before they are ordered 
to end their offensive. 
    The army's mood was further darkened on Tuesday by the 
killing of 13 Israeli soldiers in an ambush in a refugee camp in 
Jenin, the worst single blow to the Middle East's best-equiped 
armed forces in 18 months of conflict. 
    Ben Goya said that while the Israelis hold the advantage of 
advanced weaponry, Palestinian fighters are more familiar with 
the terrain and have employed an array of deadly booby-traps and 
trip wires that have forced soldiers to tread carefully.      
    CAUGHT OFF GUARD 
    The Israeli offensive was launched after 27 people were 
killed by a Palestinian suicide bomber who blew himself up in an 
Israeli seaside hotel during a Passover holiday celebration. 
    International protests against the military operations that 
ensued have shocked Israelis, who see the campaign as a 
legitimate drive to root out terror. 
    The army says it has killed at least 200 Palestinians, many 
of them wanted militants, though Palestinian officials say 
civilians have borne the brunt of the onslaught. 
    Israelis, including Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, seem to 
have been caught off guard by the Texas-raised president's 
uncompromising demands for a withdrawal from all 
Palestinian-ruled cities and towns. 
    "The Texans, as any American knows, are a breed of their 
own," political commentator Hemi Shalev wrote in the Israeli 
daily Maariv. "Sharon apparently did not take into account 
President George Bush's short Texan fuse when he decided to 
ignore him for many days." 
 ((Jerusalem newsroom, +972 2 537 0502, 
jerusalem.newsroom@reuters.com)) 

09 APR 2002 20:20:07 Bush pullout demands make him target of Israeli ire


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Israel
KEYWORDS: bushdoctrineunfold; zionist
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To: 2witness
You're right. Don't forget "if he doesn't put Israel's interests before America's interests, he's a dog." The people in this thread should change their citizenship to Israeli, if they haven't done so already, that is.
101 posted on 04/09/2002 5:44:24 PM PDT by tabsternager
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To: RCW2001
Since the Jewish state can ill-afford to alienate it's chief ally and provider of $3 billion in annual aid...

Bottomline. Period.

As for the malcontents in Israel AND the instigating brats in Egypt for whom even $3,000,000,000 apiece yearly can't help keep the peace, why continue as it were? It's not as though these are the 51st and 52nd States of the Union -- OR ARE THEY?

103 posted on 04/09/2002 5:52:53 PM PDT by F16Fighter
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To: Ancesthntr
Thanks for the clarification. I had heard rumors that Hitler was Yasser's mother's uncle, but heck, the mufti is plenty close enough. Yasser is STILL carrying on Hitler's work. Winning a Nobel Peace prize doesn't make it OK to murder babies.

I DO wonder how someone who's agenda is so Nazi-esque is able to make the Aryan myth fit into his agenda...unless he's decided that Arabs are the TRUE master race...I think I hear the theme from The Twilight Zone...

104 posted on 04/09/2002 5:58:36 PM PDT by cake_crumb
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To: Nachum
It wouldn't have been a dog, it would of been a cat and it would of been called, Pussy
105 posted on 04/09/2002 5:58:57 PM PDT by MJY1288
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To: Ancesthntr
"Something is going on that we don't know about, and this is the reason for the rush to decapitate Hussein. I suspect that he's got radiological weapons (not nukes, but conventional explosives wrapped in a blanket of radioactive material)."

I agree totally. I also agree that Bush knows this is WWIII.

106 posted on 04/09/2002 6:03:39 PM PDT by cake_crumb
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To: america-rules
I don't think they realize that the more israel does now the more it hurts the USA overall.

Oh, they realize it--they just don't care.

107 posted on 04/09/2002 6:12:23 PM PDT by Seti 1
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To: RCW2001
Now is the time for trying to salvage the Bush Doctrine on terrorism, which is self-destructing with each passing hour. Here's the type of feedback methinks President Bush, Vice President Cheney and all the top Congressional leaders should be hearing before Secretary Powell pulls a Chamberlin on us:

Secretary Powell in the Court of Arafat: Resurrection or Last Rites for a World-Class Terrorist?

The wobbly Bush Doctrine on Terrorism appears to be imploding into foreign policy incoherence.

Today we hear that Secretary Powell will answer Arafat's summons to appear before that mass murdering soul brother and co-religionist of Osama bin Laden.

This can go only two ways: Secretary Powell either (1) delivers terrorist Arafat his last rites or (2) guarantees his resurrection. There is no middle term.

It is not too late to salvage the Bush Doctrine of non-appeasement, which right now is looking very Chamberlinesque.

We must stand by Israel as it purges the terrorists in its midst. Otherwise, forget United States homeland security.

108 posted on 04/09/2002 6:15:52 PM PDT by Hibernius Druid
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To: Seti 1
Oh, they realize it--they just don't care.

Absolutely.
Which Middle Eastern regime is "Western"?
Certainly NOT Israel, see: Jewish Fundamentalism in Israel. Shahak, I., & Mezvinsky, N. (1999). London: Pluto Press. which describes the hatred of Western culture by these fundamentalists.

109 posted on 04/09/2002 6:23:25 PM PDT by luvzhottea
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To: RCW2001
Does anyone here believe for one second that George W. Bush and Sharon didn't plan out exactly what's going on right now. The U.S. and Israel are in constant contact and what is going on is POLITICS, pure and simple. If George W. Bush was to go in front of the world and publicly give Israel a green light, the entire middle east would be up in smoke right now.

President Bush is trying to keep a coalition together and nothing else. WWIII is not what he's looking for, and by demanding that Israel pull back and making the statement "Without Delay" is just politics. If president Bush says "Today we are cutting ties with Israel"... then it's serious. Until then he's just buying the Israeli's time without losing the coalition we currently have.

All the Bush bashers here on FR have been calling for Bush to spend some of his political capital, and now that he is spending that political capital so that Israel can go after the Palestinian terrorist, nobody can see what's going on here. After this deal is over in the west bank, does anyone think our relationship with Israel will be damaged in any way? GET A GRIP FREEPERS, WE WILL ALWAYS SUPPORT ISRAEL

110 posted on 04/09/2002 6:30:02 PM PDT by MJY1288
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To: MJY1288
I would be willing to bet that our Military is working with Israel all the while this whining is going on
111 posted on 04/09/2002 6:37:25 PM PDT by MJY1288
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To: MJY1288
We "Bush Bashers" as you call us only have to look at his recent domestic agenda to believe anything of this president as of late. I would expect the left wing media of not realizing any strategy but almost the whole of the conservative media is also stumped by Bush's actions. So I am to believe just a few politically-astute freepers have the answers to all this?
112 posted on 04/09/2002 6:52:18 PM PDT by RamsNo1
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To: MJY1288,Ancesthntr,cake crumb
I am hearing more and more associates express anxiety about the Mid East situation. The key is Iraq and what our intel is showing at the daily briefings. Saddam could have nukes or bios or chems aimed at Israel, ready to pull the plug on the whole region. Many forget that Israel also has nuclear capability. Someday, books will be written and the players will detail how precarious a situation this time was. Saddam is trying to destabilize the whole region, to create chaos and a diversion. Bush is trying to tamp down tensions as we cannot invade Iraq, with the whole Mid East in an uproar. I expect the next stalling tactic will be for Bush to summon Sharon to DC for a sit down.
113 posted on 04/09/2002 6:54:19 PM PDT by Wild Irish Rogue
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To: Wild Irish Rogue
Your point is a good one! and when some of the foam is whiped away from the mouths of these people who think Bush is ignoring the best interest of Israel. What matters is the ens result when you're dealing with a powder-keg like the middle east.
114 posted on 04/09/2002 6:59:27 PM PDT by MJY1288
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To: SunStar
Does this Bush-Sharon agreement also include US monitors in the region and what Powell said today that he will stay as long as needed to broker a truce?
115 posted on 04/09/2002 7:02:42 PM PDT by RamsNo1
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To: luvzhottea
Fopr a conservative, you spend a lot of time consulting commies.
I suppose as long as they hate Jews....
116 posted on 04/09/2002 7:13:58 PM PDT by rmlew
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To: RamsNo1
Does this Bush-Sharon agreement also include US monitors in the region and what Powell said today that he will stay as long as needed to broker a truce?

Of course there will be a truce at some point. Do you think that Israel will forever be in a war posture?

117 posted on 04/09/2002 7:19:48 PM PDT by SunStar
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To: MJY1288
GET A GRIP FREEPERS, WE WILL ALWAYS SUPPORT ISRAEL

If you say so

118 posted on 04/09/2002 7:26:04 PM PDT by mv1
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To: onedoug
Right On!

Rush's comments on today’s show about Bush’s waffle on his/our stance on terrorism could be used by Jumpin Jeffords to explain why he left the Republican party..” he meant it when he said it but circumstances change”.

I am proud to be a conservative republican but I cannot disagree with Pres Bush more on this issue.

Huge mistake, now this opens the flood gates for future attacks against the US and each and every attack against the US will be couched within the Palestine/Israel issue.

His is as resolute on the fight against terrorism as Clinton is on marriage fidelity.

There’s always an excuse. “Read my lips you are either with us or against us, any hosts to terrorists will be treated like the terrorist…”

Pls republican party handlers get mad at what I am saying and change your tune or another commander in chief war hero with high high approval ratings will loose an election!

119 posted on 04/09/2002 7:26:39 PM PDT by Kay Soze
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To: SunStar
Ive been out all day. Does anybody have a description of the "monitors". I'd be interesting to know if they will be civillians, the number, where they will monitor and be housed.

Fingers crossed that we will not have our military guys in there who will be suicide bomber bait.

120 posted on 04/09/2002 7:26:57 PM PDT by rbmillerjr
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