Posted on 04/09/2002 12:17:54 PM PDT by RCW2001
Not in NYC or Westchester. Nassau used to be pretty good about CCW, though I don't know about now. I know NOTHING about upstate, so I will take your word for it.
We have a group up here called ConcealCarry.org, but upon looking them over closely, they gave me a serious case of the heebee jeebee's. Their membership requirements looked more like a Amway / Ponzi thing, and the guy's newsletter read more like a rant than a newsletter. Needless to say I will be avoiding them.
Most of the counties without major cities are pretty good, with the exception of Amo Houghton's home district, which is for all practical matters, no-issue district. Of course, that makes sense: Houghton is a RINO's RINO, who was one of the crucial swing votes to get the 1994 'Assault Weapon' ban through.
"A well educated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Books, shall not be infringed."
Would liberals claim that only the government could own books?
From Warning: Actual NY Laws are much more complex, but this is a good summary.
Note the "posseses Ammunition" clause.
Won’t looser licensing restrictions make it easier for criminals to get weapons? "Every criminal who wants a weapon already has one," said another retired Israeli police officer in a radio interview. End of argument. In two sentences, the most cherished dogmas of anti-gun groups such as the Brady Campaign and Gun Industry Watch have been dismissed.
Israel is Arming Its Civilians - Why Aren't We?
That said, I've been in the RKBA fight since about 1967, and these people never, ever give up. Never. They are merely regrouping, and trying stuff like the .50 calibre ban and "gunshow loopholes" as another Camel's Head under the tent.
They're like the two tribes, "Truth-Tellers" and "Liars" who inhabit the land of logic puzzles.
These are distinguished from the "collective rights" faction.
Should obviously be...
These are distinguished from the "collective rights" fiction.
Loaning a pistol to a fellow permit holder is a felony. In order for you to share a pistol it must be iterated by serial number on the back of both of your permits.
In Europe and Asia, during the last century, by Governments against their own unarmed citizens, probably tens of millions.
But it may be out of date.
April 8 Update -- Congress came back this week and one of the first items on the House agenda is Rep. Jim Gibbons' (R-Nev.) H.R. 2937, which would cede three 320 acre parcels and six 640-acre parcels of Federal land to Clark County (Las Vegas), Nevada for use as police and civilian shooting ranges.
It's on the "Suspension Calendar," a spot usually reserved for non-controversial bills, and could come up today.
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The news isn't as good on the Senate side, where anti-gunners and their allies appear to be gearing up worsening amendments to the already-outrageous Lautenberg gun show bill, which Majority Leader Tom Daschle (D-S.D.) has said will be brought up "this session."
Yesterday Sen. Charles Schumer and Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (both D-N.Y.) went to the steps of a Catholic Church where an apparently mentally deranged man had killed a priest and parishioner last month.
They announced a bill to require state mental health agencies to report involuntary mental hospital commitments to the FBI National Instant Check System and to expand the prohibition against gun possession by anyone under a domestic restraining order to include anyone under any restraining order within five years.
The man, Peter Troy, had been twice committed involuntarily and was last year ordered released by a judge -- who will not be blamed. Troy bought the .22 rimfire semi-auto rifle four days before the killings.
When the Gun Control Act of 1968 proposed including a ban on possession by adjudicated "mental incompetents," the mental health community strongly opposed that section, citing evidence that persons with mental problems had lower incidence of violence than the public at large.
But few mental health groups are saying anything now and a spokesman for New York Republican Gov. George Pataki said mental health commitments will be reported to NICS whether or not the Schumer bill passes.
Almost all the 89,000 mental history records now in NICS were supplied by the Veterans Administration, under a Bill Clinton Executive Order.
The expansion of the ban on gun rights to anyone under any restraining order for five years (despite the fact that restraining orders are often routinely issued in even non-opposed divorces) is part of the incremental ("non-existent slippery slope") effort to ban as much gun ownership as possible until such time as all can be banned.
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In addition to the Schumer mental health reporting bill, I expect other Senate anti-gunners to attempt to add amendments to "close the newspaper loophole," if not the "loophole" allowing any private firearms transfers. Both "loopholes" -- technically defined as any firearms restriction not presently in the law -- have been discussed by politicians and newspaper editorial writers in recent weeks.
The anti-gun crowd, particularly in the Senate, is confident of passage of the 1999 Lautenberg amendment (reintroduced by Sen. Jack Reed [D-R.I.]) broadly defining gun shows, requiring all transfers at "shows" to be run through NICS and requiring all sellers -- even individuals who bring a gun to trade -- to be reported to BATF.
Since an NRA-backed softer bill requiring background checks at gun shows also passed the House in 1999, and anti-gunners are stronger now in both sides of Congress, anti-gunners are determined to significantly broaden the bill, starting in the Senate.
The lengthy article in the April 8 issue of American Prospect, a generally "Liberal" publication describes the dissension between anti-gun factions and anger at Andrew McKelvey's "Americans For Gun Safety" -- which, despite being staffed by virulent anti-gunners -- portrays itself as a "moderate" organization.
The rest of the anti-gun groups (with the exception of Josh Sugarmann's Violence Policy Center, which recently reaffirmed its gun-banning philosophy) also portrays themselves as merely seeking "reasonable" gun control laws. Even the Methodist Church-inspired Coalition to Stop Gun Violence (which started as the National Coalition To Ban Handguns) has downplayed its "ban-em" predilections.
Like anti-gun politicians who claim to support the Second Amendment while supporting every gun law with a chance of enactment, AGS says it "recognizes the right to bear arms" -- which infuriates the rest of the "gun control moderates."
American Prospect claims that McKelvey's efforts to "give gun control a shot in the arm... may give it a shot in the head." That would be nice, but it's exceedingly doubtful.
When Sens. John McCain (R-Ariz.) and Joe Lieberman (D-Ct.) rolled out their softened-but-in-some-ways-worse "middle way" bill with AGS backing, the hard left came unglued. Lieberman said it was only an alternative in case the Reed/Lautenberg bill failed.
Leader Daschle said the first vote would be on the Reed bill, eliminating any need for a vote on McCain-Lieberman. He likely wants to bring up the bill closer to the elections, for maximum political impact. But McCain notified colleagues just before Thanksgiving that he would offer his bill as an amendment to the first "appropriate vehicle" in this session. Now that his Campaign Finance Bill has been signed, I suspect that's the next item on his agenda, and it could come up quickly, because if McCain waits for Daschle to bring up the bill McCain won't get a vote on the bill bearing his name.
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There are exceptions to every rule and perhaps this is one of them. I also know that out-of-staters are exempt from the possession prohibition provided they can demonstrate they are en route to a shooting competition in New York or states beyond New York, provided the firearm is unloaded and in a locked, inaccessible case.
It really depends on leadership. MCRGO isn't a "good ole boys' club. The founders were are activists with a set goal. We went through some growing pains, but we got an NRA board member to help us out. Later on, we got the NRA deputy director for the area to join us and he's a board member and always in Lansing. We work as a team with the NRA. The NRA sent a letter to every Michigander that is a member, asking them to join MCRGO. I think our results speak for itself.
ConcealCarry.org looks to me like a POORLY run website. Not a good first impression. Granted I'm a little spoiled here, but MCRGO has had a good website even when we had 3000 people.
Maryland requires that all handguns be delivered by the manufacturer to the dealer with a pre-fired bullet, which is then sent to the state police for permanent filing in the forensics lab after sale of the firearm.
I had heard that several manufacturers were disinterested in Maryland's requirement, so they don't sell guns there.
Check out the memberships!!! $120 a YEAR, and if you recruit more members, you get PAID.
Like Amway.
Its not about concealed carry in Illinois, its about getting the leader of this group some money.
Really unfortunate; people should raid the group, take over, kick the creep on the top out, and run it like a legitimate pro-2a organization!!!
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