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Gould Strikes Back At Creationists
Indepedent.co.uk ^ | 4-09-2002

Posted on 04/09/2002 11:31:41 AM PDT by JediGirl

Eminent biologist hits back at the creationists who 'hijacked' his theory for their own ends

By Steve Connor, Science Editor

09 April 2002

Stephen Jay Gould, one of the great evolutionary biologists of our time, will publish his "magnum opus", this month, in which he lambasts creationists for deliberately distorting his theories to undermine the teaching of Darwinism in schools.

Professor Gould accuses creationists of having exploited the sometimes bitter dispute between him and his fellow Darwinists to promulgate the myth that the theory of evolution is riven with doubts and is, therefore, just as valid as biblical explanations for life on Earth.

The distinguished professor of zoology at Harvard University, whose 1,400-page book, The Structure of Evolutionary Theory, has been 10 years in the writing, was intimately involved with the fight against creationist teaching during the 1970s and 1980s in the American Deep South.

The arguments have resurfaced in Britain after the news that a school in Gateshead has been teaching creationism alongside evolution, arguing both are equal valid viewpoints.

Creationists still use Professor Gould's theory of "punctuated equilibrium" – which argues for the sudden appearance of new species – to support their view that Darwinism is being challenged by some of the leading thinkers in biology.

Although Professor Gould never disputed the central tenet of Darwinism, natural selection, his explanation for how new species might rapidly arise is often presented by creationists as a direct challenge to the scientific orthodoxy at the heart of Darwinism.

Evangelical creationists in particular have argued the universally accepted gaps in the fossil record and the frequent absence of intermediate forms between fossilised species are evidence that evolution cannot fully account for the diversity of life on Earth.

They have used Professor Gould's theory – which proposes long periods of stable "equilibrium" punctuated by sudden changes that are not captured as fossils – as proof that Darwinist "gradualism" was wrong and it should therefore be taught, at the very minimum, alongside creationism in schools.

Stephen Layfield, a science teacher at Emmanuel College in Gateshead, which is at the centre of the row, used the lack of intermediate fossils between ancestral species and their descendants to question Darwinist evolution.

Professor Gould says creationists have unwittingly misinterpreted or deliberately misquoted his work in a manner that would otherwise be laughable, were it not for the impact it can have on the teaching of science in schools.

"Such inane and basically harmless perorations may boil the blood but creationist attempts to use punctuated equilibrium in their campaigns for suppressing the teaching of evolution raise genuine worries," Professor Gould said.

Fundamentalist teaching reached its height in the United States in the early 1920s and culminated in the famous Scopes "monkey" trial in Tennessee in 1925 when John Scopes, a biology teacher, was arrested for teaching evolution in contravention of state law.

A second creationist surge occurred in the US during the 1970s, which led to the "equal time" laws for the teaching of creationism and evolution in the state schools of Arkansas and Louisiana. The rule was overturned in two court cases in 1982 and 1987.

At the same time, Professor Gould's theory of punctuated equilibrium was being debated among scientists. With the fellow Darwinist, Niles Eldredge, who cited the unchanging nature of Trilobite fossils in support of the idea, Professor Gould presented the theory at a scientific conference in 1971. A seminal scientific paper followed a year later.

"But I had no premonition about the hubbub that punctuated equilibrium would generate," Professor Gould said. Some "absurdly-hyped popular accounts" proclaimed the death of Darwinism, with punctuated equilibrium as the primary assassin, he says.

"Our theory became the public symbol and stalking horse for all debate within evolutionary theory. Moreover, since popular impression now falsely linked the supposed 'trouble' within evolutionary theory to the rise of creationism, some intemperate colleagues began to blame Eldredge and me for the growing strength of creationism.

"Thus, we stood falsely accused by some colleagues both for dishonestly exaggerating our theory to proclaim the death of Darwin (presumably for our own cynical quest for fame), and for unwittingly fostering the scourge of creationism as well," he said.

Not every scientist, however, would agree that Professor Gould was innocent in the dispute, which was exploited by evangelical creationists.

What was essentially an arcane argument between consenting academics soon became a public schism between Gould and his Darwinist rivals, whose position was best articulated by the Oxford zoologist Richard Dawkins.

At its most simplistic, the idea of punctuated equilibrium was presented as an alternative to the "gradualism" of traditional Darwinism. Rather than species evolving gradually, mutation by mutation, over a long period of time, Professor Gould argued they arose within a period of tens of thousands rather than tens of millions of years – a blink of the eye in geological terms.

Professor Dawkins savaged the Gould-Eldredge idea, arguing gaps in the fossil record could be explained by evolutionary change occurring in a different place from where most fossils were found. In any case, Dawkins said, we would need an extraordinarily rich fossil record to track evolutionary change.

Gould and Eldredge could have made that point themselves, he said. "But no, instead they chose, especially in their later writings, in which they were eagerly followed by journalists, to sell their ideas as being radically opposed to Darwin's and opposed to the neo-Darwinian synthesis," Dawkins writes in his 1986 book The Blind Watchmaker.

"They did this by emphasising the 'gradualism' of the Darwinian view of evolution as opposed to the sudden 'jerky', sporadic 'punctuationism' of their own ... The fact is that, in the fullest and most serious sense, Eldredge and Gould are really just as gradualist as Darwin or any of his followers," Professor Dawkins wrote.

The subtleties of the dispute were, however, lost on commentators outside the rarefied field of evolutionary theory.

It was certainly lost on many creationists who just revelled in the vitriolic spat between the leading Darwinists. (The dispute was so vitriolic it became personal – in his book, Gould relegates his critics to a section titled "The Wages of Jealousy".)

Richard Fortey, the Collier Professor of the Public Understanding of Science at Bristol University, says Professors Gould and Dawkins are closer than many people realise.

With some of Britain's leading scientists and theologians writing to the Prime Minister to voice their concerns about the teaching of creationism, the issue has come to the fore.

"It's absurd we are now facing this creationist threat," Professor Fortey said. "It's a debate that belongs to the 1840s. Evolution is not just a theory, it's as much of a fact as the existence of the solar system."


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To: stanz ; Buck Turgidson
This is a load of crap. You can believe whatever you want to believe and so can the rest of us. Darwin was a naturalist. Where did you get all that other stuff?

I got that stuff from Darwin's own writings, as I said, he was a very despicable human being:

LIAR

"P.S. Would you advise me to tell Murray [his publisher] that my book is not more un-orthodox than the subject makes inevitable. That I do not discuss the origin of man. That I do not bring in any discussion about Genesis, &c, &c., and only give facts, and such conclusions from them as seem to me fair.

Or had I better say nothing to Murray, and assume that he cannot object to this much unorthodoxy, which in fact is not more than any Geological Treatise which runs sharp counter to Genesis."
From: Daniel J. Boorstein, The Discoverers, page 475.

EUGENICS

With savages, the weak in body or mind are soon eliminated; and those that survive commonly exhibit a vigorous state of health. We civilised men, on the other hand, do our utmost to check the process of elimination; we build asylums for the imbecile, the maimed, and the sick; we institute poor-laws; and our medical men exert their utmost skill to save the life of every one to the last moment. There is reason to believe that vaccination has preserved thousands, who from a weak constitution would formerly have succumbed to small-pox. Thus the weak members of civilised societies propagate their kind. No one who has attended to the breeding of domestic animals will doubt that this must be highly injurious to the race of man. It is surprising how soon a want of care, or care wrongly directed, leads to the degeneration of a domestic race; but excepting in the case of man himself, hardly any one is so ignorant as to allow his worst animals to breed.
Darwin, "The Descent of Man", Chapter V.

STERILIZATION

" Man scans with scrupulous care the character and pedigree of his horses, cattle, and dogs before he matches them; but when he comes to his own marriage he rarely, or never, takes any such care. He is impelled by nearly the same motives as the lower animals, when they are left to their own free choice, though he is in so far superior to them that he highly values mental charms and virtues. On the other hand he is strongly attracted by mere wealth or rank. Yet he might by selection do something not only for the bodily constitution and frame of his offspring, but for their intellectual and moral qualities. Both sexes ought to refrain from marriage if they are in any marked degree inferior in body or mind; but such hopes are Utopian and will never be even partially realised until the laws of inheritance are thoroughly known. Everyone does good service, who aids towards this end."
Darwin, Descent of Man, Chapter 21.

WAR TO DESTROY INFERIOR SPECIES

"I could show fight on natural selection having done and doing more for the progress of civilization than you seem inclined to admit. Remember what risk the nations of Europe ran, not so many centuries ago of being overwhelmed by the Turks, and how ridiculous such an idea now is! The more civilized so-called Caucasian races have beaten the Turkish hollow in the struggle for existence. Looking to the world at no very distant date, what an endless number of the lower races will have been eliminated by the higher civilized races throughout the world."
Darwin to Graham, July 3, 1881.

RACIST

In man the frontal bone consists of a single piece, but in the embryo, and in children, and in almost all the lower mammals, it consists of two pieces separated by a distinct suture. ~~This suture occasionally persists more or less distinctly in man after maturity; and more frequently in ancient than in recent crania, especially, as Canestrini has observed, in those exhumed from the Drift, and belonging to the brachycephalic type. Here again he comes to the same nclusion as in the analogous case of the malar bones. In this, and other instances presently to be given, the cause of ancient races approaching the lower animals in certain characters more frequently than do the modern races, appears to be, that the latter stand at a somewhat greater distance in the long line of descent from their early semi-human progenitors.
Darwin, Descent of Man, Chapter 2.

361 posted on 04/12/2002 9:38:09 PM PDT by gore3000
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To: Buck Turgidson
I don't know the people you speak of, they do not speak for me, ask them. There are a lot of people out there that have been deceived by evolutionists and that includes a lot of religious people. The facts I have stated should be obvious to any Christian (which you are not). To Christians, God is the Creator, and evolution denies that.
362 posted on 04/12/2002 9:41:53 PM PDT by gore3000
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To: Buck Turgidson
You're just making stuff up, right?

Nope, and if you were a Christian, you would know that my statements are correct. But you are not a Christian so you try to deceive people into thinking that evolution is not atheistic. As the saying goes, misery loves company.

363 posted on 04/12/2002 9:44:30 PM PDT by gore3000
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To: Buck Turgidson; Doctor Stochastic
Quote mining again.

Yes, I keep forgetting, evolutionists are like Communists, Clintonites, Nazis and other despicable ideologues. They are supposed to be allowed to change their statements on a daily basis to fit the circumstances and no one should ever quote what they said yesterday and (heaven forbid!) what they said the day before. No, it is totally unfair to quote the lies they told yesterday because of course they will not agree with the lies they tell today so all their past sayings must be put into the Orwellian memory hole and never repeated.

My post#335 refers exactly to the garbage ballyhooed in that rag called Time Magazine and various other so-called "mainstream" publications. You and anyone else can check the links to see their veracity. You can also just do a search for "Eosimias" and you will see those phony pictures and garbage repeated in numerous places. Your dishonesty is very obvious. You have nothing but lies to refute my indesputable proof of the prostitutes that taut evolution.

364 posted on 04/12/2002 10:00:42 PM PDT by gore3000
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To: gore3000
There are no false pictures in your post #335 nor in the links. Your dishonesty is very obvious.
365 posted on 04/12/2002 10:17:47 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic
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To: The_Reader_David
Actually, I think even more fitting to a stochastic methodology (and certainly funnier) were the suggestions proffered before mine that hunble throw a floppy disk into a swimming pool or bake it in the sun.

Cordially,

366 posted on 04/13/2002 8:12:13 AM PDT by Diamond
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To: Map Kernow
Dr. Gould, is that you?
367 posted on 04/13/2002 3:12:29 PM PDT by ventana
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To: jennyp
Finally, someone who is not such an unthinking minion that they can actually provide at least some links to support their contention that the lack of evidence is at least partially ameliorated by some serious conjecture :->. Well done.

As an aside, your third link contains the following:

"There are a number of known evolutionary mechanisms, such as the Founder Effect..." Do you have any other information about this effect? It was the only mechanism that did not have a link.

v.

368 posted on 04/13/2002 6:03:40 PM PDT by ventana
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To: ventana
Here is a link that provides some information on this effect. The other pages on this site are IMO also quite interesting.
369 posted on 04/13/2002 7:04:55 PM PDT by BMCDA
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To: Junior
A "Now I lay me down to sleep" placemarker.
370 posted on 04/13/2002 7:43:30 PM PDT by Junior
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To: jennyp, JediGirl, All
Well, jennyp, it looks like you are the only one on this thread who actually knows what punk-eek is. Thank you for pointing out that it is, largely, a theory of stasis. It is a theory of stasis, punctuation, and relative frequency.

From the Dawkins quote:

Eldredge and Gould could have said:

But they didn't because it isn't what they meant. The emphasis on species originating in different locations from large fossil concentrations is Dawkins' theory, not Gould's.

Is punk-eek in essence gradualism? Not really. Even though one could draw a smooth line through a punctuated progression, it isn't the gradualism that Dawkins' neodarwinism insists on. But it is by no means saltationalism, the hopeful monster theory.

Gould, besides accusing the creationists of misapplying and falsifying his theories, decries the science journalists, who naively report simplified and incorrect translations of sometimes subtle scientific findings. My guess is that Steve Connor, Science Editor, doesn't know what punk-eek is.

371 posted on 04/14/2002 6:32:02 AM PDT by Nebullis
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To: AndrewC
Although Shapiro's musings tend toward the mystical, I'd be more than pleased if thread participants would read and understand the posted article.
372 posted on 04/14/2002 6:44:24 AM PDT by Nebullis
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To: Pinlighter
Claptrap from the Dawkins crowd.

As for political leanings, finding right-leaning biologists would be a search for needles in haystacks.

373 posted on 04/14/2002 6:45:58 AM PDT by Nebullis
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To: colorado tanker
RE: evo-deveo: I would expect harsh counterattacks from the Gouldian establishment.

No, Gould incorporates the constraints of development in his theories as an additional factor in evolution.

374 posted on 04/14/2002 6:53:24 AM PDT by Nebullis
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To: gore3000
So how did Darwin compare to other Victorian-era upper class gentlemen? More or less racist, sexist, imperialistic, whatever, than, say Kipling?
375 posted on 04/14/2002 2:03:44 PM PDT by Virginia-American
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To: Diamond
You misunderstand my point. I fully expect a stochastic element to be present in the best scientific explanation of biological diversity. It will, however, be present in a form which does not give rise to a denial of the argument from design.

There is an provable example of stochastic processes giving rise to increased order: the hardening of metal. By appropiate heating and quenching, one can adjust the crystal size in a metal, either increasing the average size (hardening) or decreasing it (annealing). The micro-level process is thermal, and therefore stochastic. The result is designed, so much so, that if one found either hardened or annealed metal in an excavation, one would immediately conclude that it was not natural, but part of an artifact.

My point is that "fitness" and "natural selection" are tautological concepts in standard Darwinism (and thus not scientific in the Popperian sense). It is in the missing "theory of fitness" that the order and law-like properties of adaptive ecology will reside, and once the laws begin to be uncovered, the rhetorical heart of Darwinism as an argument-from-no-design will be cut out. Stochastic search of a designedly constrained space of possibilities with a designed notion of fitness is exactly what the Darwinist's latest triumph, genetic programming, models. It is a good advance for evolutionary biology, but a blow against Darwinism-as-creation-myth.

376 posted on 04/14/2002 2:05:05 PM PDT by The_Reader_David
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To: AmericaUnited
Submitted for consideration: Did Gould create "p.e." as a preemptive strike because he knew macro-ev was at risk, because of the total lack of transitional forms? Or did he seek to create a perch for himself, on which he could preen as the inventor of something "new"?
377 posted on 04/14/2002 2:29:31 PM PDT by 185JHP
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To: 185JHP
, because of the total lack of transitional forms?

I think you mean relative scarcity, not total lack. At least that's what SJG and others have said.

Or did he seek to create a perch for himself, on which he could preen as the inventor of something "new"?

That's part of my opinion of him. He's got quite an ego.

378 posted on 04/14/2002 3:16:49 PM PDT by Virginia-American
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To: The_Reader_David
I agree that a design may intentionally incorporate a limited range of probabilities for the attainment of some function. I was trying to highlight the huge difference between that and the improbabilities of an every increasing level of functionality arising from a completely non-teleological process. While it may turn out that there is some stochastic relation to the origin of some biological diversity, and even if it in a form which does not give rise to a denial of the argument from design, don't hold your breath waiting for the denials to stop. Appeal to necessity and law-like regularities are already routinely made to try to mitigate against the extreme improbabilities of pure chance, by people who have no intention of ever recognizing the hand of the Creator of those law-like regularities. The rhetorical heart of Darwinism as an argument-from-no-design might be cut out, but it may be like a heartless corpse in the night of the living dead, refusing to be buried.

Cordially,

379 posted on 04/16/2002 12:37:41 PM PDT by Diamond
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To: jlogajan
>>The Bible is wrong forever.<<

One day you and I will die.The Bible claims that if we place our faith in Christ, we will be saved. I have done so.

If I die and I am wrong, I have lost nothing. If you die and you are wrong, you are in big trouble.

380 posted on 04/16/2002 12:42:17 PM PDT by SerpentDove
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