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Gould Strikes Back At Creationists
Indepedent.co.uk ^ | 4-09-2002

Posted on 04/09/2002 11:31:41 AM PDT by JediGirl

Eminent biologist hits back at the creationists who 'hijacked' his theory for their own ends

By Steve Connor, Science Editor

09 April 2002

Stephen Jay Gould, one of the great evolutionary biologists of our time, will publish his "magnum opus", this month, in which he lambasts creationists for deliberately distorting his theories to undermine the teaching of Darwinism in schools.

Professor Gould accuses creationists of having exploited the sometimes bitter dispute between him and his fellow Darwinists to promulgate the myth that the theory of evolution is riven with doubts and is, therefore, just as valid as biblical explanations for life on Earth.

The distinguished professor of zoology at Harvard University, whose 1,400-page book, The Structure of Evolutionary Theory, has been 10 years in the writing, was intimately involved with the fight against creationist teaching during the 1970s and 1980s in the American Deep South.

The arguments have resurfaced in Britain after the news that a school in Gateshead has been teaching creationism alongside evolution, arguing both are equal valid viewpoints.

Creationists still use Professor Gould's theory of "punctuated equilibrium" – which argues for the sudden appearance of new species – to support their view that Darwinism is being challenged by some of the leading thinkers in biology.

Although Professor Gould never disputed the central tenet of Darwinism, natural selection, his explanation for how new species might rapidly arise is often presented by creationists as a direct challenge to the scientific orthodoxy at the heart of Darwinism.

Evangelical creationists in particular have argued the universally accepted gaps in the fossil record and the frequent absence of intermediate forms between fossilised species are evidence that evolution cannot fully account for the diversity of life on Earth.

They have used Professor Gould's theory – which proposes long periods of stable "equilibrium" punctuated by sudden changes that are not captured as fossils – as proof that Darwinist "gradualism" was wrong and it should therefore be taught, at the very minimum, alongside creationism in schools.

Stephen Layfield, a science teacher at Emmanuel College in Gateshead, which is at the centre of the row, used the lack of intermediate fossils between ancestral species and their descendants to question Darwinist evolution.

Professor Gould says creationists have unwittingly misinterpreted or deliberately misquoted his work in a manner that would otherwise be laughable, were it not for the impact it can have on the teaching of science in schools.

"Such inane and basically harmless perorations may boil the blood but creationist attempts to use punctuated equilibrium in their campaigns for suppressing the teaching of evolution raise genuine worries," Professor Gould said.

Fundamentalist teaching reached its height in the United States in the early 1920s and culminated in the famous Scopes "monkey" trial in Tennessee in 1925 when John Scopes, a biology teacher, was arrested for teaching evolution in contravention of state law.

A second creationist surge occurred in the US during the 1970s, which led to the "equal time" laws for the teaching of creationism and evolution in the state schools of Arkansas and Louisiana. The rule was overturned in two court cases in 1982 and 1987.

At the same time, Professor Gould's theory of punctuated equilibrium was being debated among scientists. With the fellow Darwinist, Niles Eldredge, who cited the unchanging nature of Trilobite fossils in support of the idea, Professor Gould presented the theory at a scientific conference in 1971. A seminal scientific paper followed a year later.

"But I had no premonition about the hubbub that punctuated equilibrium would generate," Professor Gould said. Some "absurdly-hyped popular accounts" proclaimed the death of Darwinism, with punctuated equilibrium as the primary assassin, he says.

"Our theory became the public symbol and stalking horse for all debate within evolutionary theory. Moreover, since popular impression now falsely linked the supposed 'trouble' within evolutionary theory to the rise of creationism, some intemperate colleagues began to blame Eldredge and me for the growing strength of creationism.

"Thus, we stood falsely accused by some colleagues both for dishonestly exaggerating our theory to proclaim the death of Darwin (presumably for our own cynical quest for fame), and for unwittingly fostering the scourge of creationism as well," he said.

Not every scientist, however, would agree that Professor Gould was innocent in the dispute, which was exploited by evangelical creationists.

What was essentially an arcane argument between consenting academics soon became a public schism between Gould and his Darwinist rivals, whose position was best articulated by the Oxford zoologist Richard Dawkins.

At its most simplistic, the idea of punctuated equilibrium was presented as an alternative to the "gradualism" of traditional Darwinism. Rather than species evolving gradually, mutation by mutation, over a long period of time, Professor Gould argued they arose within a period of tens of thousands rather than tens of millions of years – a blink of the eye in geological terms.

Professor Dawkins savaged the Gould-Eldredge idea, arguing gaps in the fossil record could be explained by evolutionary change occurring in a different place from where most fossils were found. In any case, Dawkins said, we would need an extraordinarily rich fossil record to track evolutionary change.

Gould and Eldredge could have made that point themselves, he said. "But no, instead they chose, especially in their later writings, in which they were eagerly followed by journalists, to sell their ideas as being radically opposed to Darwin's and opposed to the neo-Darwinian synthesis," Dawkins writes in his 1986 book The Blind Watchmaker.

"They did this by emphasising the 'gradualism' of the Darwinian view of evolution as opposed to the sudden 'jerky', sporadic 'punctuationism' of their own ... The fact is that, in the fullest and most serious sense, Eldredge and Gould are really just as gradualist as Darwin or any of his followers," Professor Dawkins wrote.

The subtleties of the dispute were, however, lost on commentators outside the rarefied field of evolutionary theory.

It was certainly lost on many creationists who just revelled in the vitriolic spat between the leading Darwinists. (The dispute was so vitriolic it became personal – in his book, Gould relegates his critics to a section titled "The Wages of Jealousy".)

Richard Fortey, the Collier Professor of the Public Understanding of Science at Bristol University, says Professors Gould and Dawkins are closer than many people realise.

With some of Britain's leading scientists and theologians writing to the Prime Minister to voice their concerns about the teaching of creationism, the issue has come to the fore.

"It's absurd we are now facing this creationist threat," Professor Fortey said. "It's a debate that belongs to the 1840s. Evolution is not just a theory, it's as much of a fact as the existence of the solar system."


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To: AndrewC
Your post of the "21st Century View" of evolution is interesting. What strikes me, however, is that the theory of "non-random" or directed genomic change renders natural selection unnecessary. My problem with evolutionary theory is the lack of evidence for gradualism and the random mutations Darwin hypothesized as transitional forms. Although he doesn't like to admit it, Gould's punk-eek theory is an attempt to reconcile evolutionary theory to this lack of evidence. The article makes an obligatory genuflection toward natural selection, but if genetic change is non-random, and indeed is directed at the cellular level in response to new circumstances or needs, as the article suggests, there is no real necessity for natural selection to sort through a bunch of random mutations to select a "winner."

Natural selection and its popular counterpart "the survival of the fittest" are, however, at the core of the social-Darwinist gospel. I suspect the determinist ideas associated with social-Darwinism, including natural selection, will not be given up without a fight.

121 posted on 04/09/2002 3:15:55 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: medlarebil
It's the scientific principle...nothing is written in stone until it can be proved, verified, beyond the shadow of a doubt. You apparently see that as a weakness whereas a thinking person would see that as a plus and the only way to find answers. If your theory is wrong, you admit it and move on, searching for the truth.

But little if anything in evolution theory has been proven and verified. The fact they have to keep modifying the theory proves that. Saying that they are modifying the theory in search of the truth doesn't overcome the fact that nothing's been proven in the first place. Nor does ridiculing those who take the Bible as fact.

Theories of physics or chemistry don't undergo these constant modifications. There have been lots of new theories in those disciplines over the years, but they don't contradict the ones that have already been accepted. Nor could they, since they had been proven by controlled experimentation. They simply add to them.

122 posted on 04/09/2002 3:16:55 PM PDT by lasereye
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To: jlogajan
Bible is wrong forever? Not only are you a hypocrite, but an idiot as well.
123 posted on 04/09/2002 3:17:38 PM PDT by Citizen of the Savage Nation
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To: Tench_Coxe
I wish to see an experiment, without tampering with the genes, where the initial and future conditions of an environment are set, and a prediction is made that is verified--especially with something like a fluke becoming a new species--according to what was predicted.

OK. Take two herds of horses. Keep one on the plains. Put the other one in an environment where the land rises one inch per centry. 1 foot in 1200 years, 1000 feet in 1.2 million years. Let's let it go on for say, 5 million years.

I'm sure the actual biologists here can do better, but I'd predict that the 'horses' on the higher, more mountainous area will resemble (at least in behavior, I don't know about appearence) present-day donkeys or burros more than the original horses. (eg, they'd be more sure-footed than their ancestors)

When you've invented time travel, let's conduct the experiment. Until then, we have to work with what's available, namely fossils and DNA.

Can some creationist/IDer give me pointers on how to set up an experiment where we can observe 'special creation'?

124 posted on 04/09/2002 3:17:39 PM PDT by Virginia-American
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To: colorado tanker
What strikes me, however, is that the theory of "non-random" or directed genomic change renders natural selection unnecessary.

You read it, and you probably have a good idea of those who won't read it or who will try to diminish the assertions it contains. What do you think of the last line?

Indeed, it is possible that we will eventually see such information-processing capabilities as essential to life itself.

125 posted on 04/09/2002 3:24:05 PM PDT by AndrewC
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To: newgeezer
A pompous ass who makes a lot of sense.
...to a fool:

That is what you said.

The passage doesn't apply. It's not science. Has no place in an article about a scientist. The discussion was about Stephen J.Gould's knowledge in the field of evolutionary biology. You are labeling people because you don't agree with their views and trying to legitimize it by quoting from the scriptures. That is unfair.

126 posted on 04/09/2002 3:30:30 PM PDT by stanz
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To: Virginia-American
That is why I proposed to use a simpler lifeform. It should be easier to create an environment to meet predictions.

Until then, I remain a skeptic and a heretic ( at least reading from the invective hurled by the dogmatic in the evolution camp ). And statements from people like that Fortey fellow continue to show that evolution is more of a religious creed to its proponents rather than something to be subjected to scientific inquiry.
I don't discount evolution, but I do have a problem with giving such a theory the status of a Natural Law.

Don't get me wrong -- creationism is pure bunk, and it betrays an uneasiness with religious faith if one has to contoct some scientific argument to support it.

127 posted on 04/09/2002 3:30:46 PM PDT by Tench_Coxe
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To: JediGirl
Please add me to the "crevo_list," if this is your puppy. Thanks!
128 posted on 04/09/2002 3:37:32 PM PDT by Wordsmith
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To: AndrewC
"Indeed, it is possible that we will eventually see such information-processing capabilities as essential to life itself." What do I think of that concluding sentence? Well, I'm skeptical because I've met a lot of living beings who appear to have no information-processing capabilities whatsoever.

No, seriously, I find the theory intriguing. I'm not surprised that such a discovery would be made in an age and society that is reforming its activities around information processing. Although I'm not a scientist, this theory of non-random genetic change through an information processing mechanism makes much more sense to me and fits much better with the evidence, which just doesn't support the theory of random genetic change and mutations occuring gradually over long periods of time.

129 posted on 04/09/2002 3:37:36 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: lasereye
There have been lots of new theories in those disciplines over the years, but they don't contradict the ones that have already been accepted. Nor could they, since they had been proven by controlled experimentation. They simply add to them.

As 'punk/eek' does to the theory of evolution by natural selection.

130 posted on 04/09/2002 3:42:21 PM PDT by Virginia-American
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To: Virginia-American
I'd predict that the 'horses' on the higher, more mountainous area will resemble (at least in behavior, I don't know about appearence) present-day donkeys or burros more than the original horses. (eg, they'd be more sure-footed than their ancestors)

If the result was exactly as you predict, it would scarcely qualify as proof of evolution. Evolution is where species A turns into species B by the addition of some new characteristics or capabilities that were completely absent in A, such as a new organ or limb or wings or something. Increasing complexity. Everything is supposed to have evolved from a single cell organism. That's what transmutation of species is (Darwinian evolution). That's why mosquitoes becoming immune to a pesticide isn't evolution.

It always interests me what evolution supporters don't understand the theory of evolution. My minister recently said that people who think all life evolved from some muck being hit by lightning millions of years ago are overeducated for their intelligence. I have to agree.

131 posted on 04/09/2002 3:44:22 PM PDT by lasereye
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To: newgeezer
Unless you believe that producing according to their kind means producing identical replicas, such production is going to result in variation from one generation to the next. (You don't look exactly the same as your parents, do you?) If variation is being produced, and there's a process that "rewards" certain kinds of variation and "punishes" others, your variations are going to accumulate in certain directions. Keep this process and this "directed" variation up for a long time, and there's nothing to prevent speciation . . .

and all without contradicting a single word that you've quoted.

132 posted on 04/09/2002 3:46:43 PM PDT by Iota
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To: Virginia-American
As 'punk/eek' does to the theory of evolution by natural selection.

Precisely. If you believe 'punk/eek', then you also believe everything that's been taught for decades on evolution is wrong. It's an admission that evolution hasn't been a proven fact all this time. Nor would punk/eek be either.

133 posted on 04/09/2002 3:52:12 PM PDT by lasereye
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To: RAT Patrol
Yeah...

Nebullis is on record saying...

"wants(for the improvement of science--society) evolution taught intensively---starting in kindergarten"...a la joycelyn elders!

And fr-Patrick Henry..."total evolution--ONLY"...

devilcrat--nazis!

I'm not making this up!

134 posted on 04/09/2002 3:52:25 PM PDT by f.Christian
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To: colorado tanker
No, seriously, I find the theory intriguing.

Well, here is another citation.

The role of mutational and other biases in variation

In reality, mutation is not random in any sense other than in respect of being logically prior to selection (which is not a reason to call it "random"), and the idea of a bounteous Dobzhanskian "gene pool"-- the magic hat from which selection can pull any trick-- died years ago.

Although recent commentaries give the impression that the differences between classic neo-Darwinism and "evo-devo" are being resolved, we do not believe that this is the case. One cannot integrate these two contradictory views. Either propensities of variation exert an important shaping influence on evolution, or they do not. By implying the former, the "evo-devo" heterodoxy strikes at the root of the New Synthesis: its case for the supremacy of selection and its case against any possible internal causes of directionality. Far from being resolved, the controversy has not even been clearly recognized yet.

135 posted on 04/09/2002 3:53:52 PM PDT by AndrewC
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To: RAT Patrol
Forgot this...

By RP...

I am offended that darwinists are so religious in their beliefs that they won't even allow a debate. One side will debate, one side won't. Hmmm.

Yeah...

Nebullis is on record saying...

"wants(for the improvement of science--society) evolution taught intensively---starting in kindergarten"...a la joycelyn elders!

And fr-Patrick Henry..."total evolution--ONLY"...

devilcrat--nazis!

I'm not making this up!

136 posted on 04/09/2002 3:54:28 PM PDT by f.Christian
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To: lasereye
Evolution is where species A turns into species B by the addition of some new characteristics or capabilities that were completely absent in A, such as a new organ or limb or wings or something.

Well, are horses and donkeys different species or not? Clearly (to me) not, because they can't produce fertile offspring. Assuming (for the sake of argument) they are descended from a common ancestor, just what 'new characteristics... that were completely absent..' are involved here? IOW, you're trying to set up a strawman - evolution is generally defined as the change in gene (allele) frequencies over time - it says nothing about brand new stuff being required.

such as a new organ or limb or wings or something

That sounds more like metamorphosis, which is a part of some theistic systems but has never been observed in the natural world.

137 posted on 04/09/2002 3:56:39 PM PDT by Virginia-American
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To: Virginia-American
like metamorphosis, which is a part of some theistic systems but has never been observed in the natural world.

darwinian slip...

138 posted on 04/09/2002 4:00:18 PM PDT by f.Christian
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To: JediGirl
ooooh, I am really scared at his inventing of another theory which will probaly come out of this book......
139 posted on 04/09/2002 4:07:27 PM PDT by rwfromkansas
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To: jlogajan
bump to this post, everyone...anti-religious bias is shown.
140 posted on 04/09/2002 4:11:07 PM PDT by rwfromkansas
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