New Kids Book: "The Preborn Christ: A Story of God in the Womb"

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Bearers of  the Preborn Christ
Updated January 26, 2002

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NEWS January 22, 2002 Washington DC Precious Life Ministries Launches Preborn Christ      Amidst the March for Life, the new book, The Preborn Christ, was released.  For the first time ever, the life of Jesus Christ from conception as a Divine human person with a body that was a mere single cell zygote to the Resurrection is fully illustrated.  The story is told against a Salvation History background, beginning with a Passover celebration extending to Christ's Passover/Last Supper scene with an explanation of the Eucharist and His sacrifice as the Lamb of God that leads to the Resurrection.  Between the two Passover celebrations is a delightful celebration of life within the womb as lived through Jesus Christ and His telling of such to His friend Jeremiah.  Jeremiah is a little boy who had recently died in a cart accident and was brought by his Guardian Angel to Jesus at His conception.        The science of the human embryo was thoroughly checked by a bioethicist and the theology was checked by a theologian.        Former Congressman Robert Dornan (R-Cal) endorsed the book as the first authentic new approach in a long time that is brought to this struggle for a culture of life.  His comments, voiced on the podium as a scheduled speaker at the pre-March for Life rally and were simul-cast on the EWTN network.       For more information about The Preborn Christ see: www.preciouslifeministries.org   January 16, 2002 Book Release: The Preborn Christ - A Story of God in the Womb       Featuring pictures of Jesus growing within the womb of Mary, Precious Life Ministries will be releasing a newly published book entitled, "The Preborn Christ A Story of God in the Womb."         The Preborn Christ is a beautifully illustrated and deeply moving story of a little boy named Jeremiah who is traveling to Passover with his family.  The adventure starts when a beautiful angel brings him to Nazareth.  An endearing and exciting relationship begins for Jeremiah when he meets Jesus the Messiah, who is growing in the womb of His Mother Mary.  Jeremiah falls in love with Jesus his Savior as he sees and experiences the development of Jesus' human body.  With his angel, Jeremiah stays by Jesus' side through Jesus' Birth and Resurrection and learns the truth about man's Salvation.  This story will bring tears of joy to your eyes and heal broken hearts - it is a story of God's endless and everlasting love for us.  It will be one of the greatest treasures you'll ever share with your loved ones.       The book may be ordered for  $14.00 plus $2.00 for shipping and handling through the website for  Precious Life Ministries at: www.preciouslifeministires.org        The book The Preborn Christ will be release this weekend in Washington DC amid the Annual March for Life marking the 29th Anniversary of Roe v. Wade, the Supreme Court decision that legalized direct abortion of the preborn.  This decision was soon followed with Doe v. Bolton, a companion Supreme Court decision legalizing the direct abortion of all preborn through the nine months, including during the birth.    January 8, 2002 Photos of a Person in the Womb added to this website       Prebornchrist.org now has high quality pictures of a person developing in the womb listed under A Person in the Womb.  These pictures include copyright photos spanning the range of eight- to twenty weeks after conception at fertilization.  The pictures are provided by the Family Life Institute and the rights for republication are obtainable at a reasonable price and minimal conditions through their website http://www.lifeissues.org/orders.html  December 2001 www.prebornchrist.org Given New Look !     To mark Advent 2001, the website www.prebornchrist.org has received a new look.  This new look, brought to you by updated software, is not straying from its mission, rather will be able to better concentrate on its mission and devote much less attention to the technical aspects of running a website.       The mission is clear, to magnify the nine months Our Lord, Jesus Christ, spent in the womb of Our Blessed Lady and the Mother of God, Mary.  Also, to explore ways in which each of us may participate with Mary in seeking to be spiritual mothers to the Preborn Christ and birthing Christ into our lives and into this world.     We continue to be open to all criticisms, challenges, and suggestions on both the content and presentation of the material you will find at this site.  It remains our desire to ensure that all content is consistent, accurate and true to the Catechism and Faith of the Catholic Church.  As always, if you question any point, the smallest to the largest, please contact us right away so that we may follow-up and ensure the integrity and reliability of all material afforded to you on this website.     Know that all who stop at this site are prayed for daily.  God bless you.

© 2001 Patrick A. O'Donnell S.F.O.
Bearers of the Preborn Christ, PO Box 35116,  Brighton, MA  02135
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[Brad’s Gramma]

[Harrison Bergeron]

"Strange. I thought it was very simple and clear. "

Quite. The evil and maniacal pro-lifer murders the good and reasonable pro-abortion mayor. It's the kind of dissembling that takes the culture of death back to its roots with Sanger and Mengele.

[BibChr]

You are totally mistaken. Evidently you read the Bible as poorly as you read my essay, if you ever did more than glance at it.

I don't do one thing to the MT except translate it, and the sense of it is plain. (Odd you make this contentless jape, then quote the verse as speaking of "fruit" which, as far as I know, no manuscript or ancient version supports.) The passage speaks of a premature birth cause by injury. The man who causes the injury is punishable to the extent of the damage he causes, whether he hurts mother or child. Don't most mothers have teeth?

You want to be known as favoring butchering living children, that is yours to carry before God.

But stop lying about the Bible. It is univocal. Human life begins in the womb, was protected by God's law, should be protected by human law.

Dan

[Risky Schemer]

I don't think anyone posting here wants a theocracy.

Perhaps they have another name for it then?

We just don't care for children being executed without due process; without his or her constitutional right to legal counsel or his or her right to a fair and speedy trial to determine guilt or innocence.

What a straw man, since we are talking about a fetus, not a living soul. (Yes, a fetus is alive, but it is not a living soul, because it has not yet been BORN. See how we disagree -- with scriptural grounds claimed on both sides -- on this most basic issue? Now what would you do about that, if you were to find the country divided 50/50 along those very lines? Wouldn't you demand guns for your side to force the other to comply, believing that you are defending the lives and supposed rights of "unborn children?")

What we have now is a form of dictatorship. A woman can dictate the life or death of her unborn living human and say, “Off with your head”.

And so, since in your opinion "abortion is murder of the innocent," that gives you the moral right, and I would say IMPETUS and OBLIGATION and DUTY to do whatever you can to stop the "murder," and extend CONTROL into every aspect of a woman's life, even to her own womb. At least that is how the "abortion is murder" crowd sees -- and justifies -- it. That moves from a "form of dictatorship" into an actual one.

For almost 200 years, we didn't have legalized abortion in our country and no one was guilty of cramming religion down a woman's throat. Now for the past 30 years, we are guilty as sin for saying abortion is murder. As a matter of fact, GEE…..we did just fine without legalized abortion all those years didn’t we? Now we’re all going to hell in a DIAPER BAG.

Back alley abortions and lost and ruined lives as a result -- that's doing just fine? And why do you suppose many women were having the illegal abortions? Because of mistakes in a judgmental, puritanical society, where she would be labeled the worst things, put out of church and shunned for turning of pregnant, her family would suffer the shame, and the child, if born, would carry the name and stigma of "bastard" for life. And "bastard" wasn't just a cute South Park cartoon cuss word then.

Abortion is more than just a dead baby. It’s a bad attitude. It has given permission for casual sex with dozens and dozens of partners. What follows is rampant sexually transmitted diseases, unwanted children left to die in a bathroom during the prom, broken homes, lives of guilt and regret. Women in so much grief over their abortion 10 years before, they can’t be a good mother to the children they have now and have terrible problems bonding with their spouse. These women endure severe depressions and long term indescribable grief. etc, etc, etc and on and on we can go.

And if you had said "fetus" instead of "baby" in the first sentence of that paragraph, I might agree with every last word of it. Except that many women turn and find grace and forgiveness in Jesus Christ and do not suffer the things you mentioned. I would agree that abortion is a snare that can lead to guilt. Therefore screaming "murderer" serves the snare by piling on the guilt; it serves condemnation, and destroys, rather than helps.

And if you really push the logic behind idea that there should be no sex without consequences (or no sex without "blessing"), then even ordinary, routine birth control is evil too.

And I've got news for you, MOST women who get abortions don't want them, they just THINK they do because they are in a panic and they are in shock. After all is said and done, MOST of them REGRET their CHOICE. Many of them are pressured by a boyfriend or a parent to make the CHOICE they want them to make. This is CHOICE? I say we need laws to protect WOMEN and CHILDREN from this very bad and painful CHOICE. Need I mention the fathers involved who have no say in their child's life or death status?

I thought you just said the boyfriends (fathers) are the ones pressuring them into it.

If we did away with abortion, most women would keep their unborn HUMAN, give birth and get on with a JOYFUL life. Giving birth and being a mother really isn’t as bad as the Feminazi culture would have us believe.

Strong points. But "abortion is murder" is not the way to go about it. It hasn't won the debate yet, and it won't, except when the "abortion is murder" crowd finally gets the federal gun power they need to impose their agenda by force.

I personally would like to see Roe v Wade repealed, the authority returned to the individual states to outlaw (or not outlaw) abortion. I would like to return to a time more "innocent," when girls who "got in trouble" simply went away for a few months. They gave the unwanted babies up for adoption of course. I suspect that even in that "innocent" time many of those would have preferred keeping the babies had it not been for cultural labeling and socio-religious pressures.

But even in those times with those options, dangerous back alley abortions were available and being done. Not everyone came from a family of means capable of sending them "away" to have the baby.

And here's where I see your point, to an extent. Legalized abortions seem to have made abortion a casual act of convenience, rather than one of desperation. "Oops, pregnant. No prob. I'll pop in to see the doc this afternoon, and sleep around more tonight." But I think legalization is not nearly to blame as cultural promotion and societal endorsement of abortion.

Let me put it this way. Girls wouldn't be caught dead wearing high waisted jeans if they thoughht their culture (tv/radio/celebrities/magazines/peers) disapproved. If the culture frowned on abortion and promoted the carrying of babies to full term, giving birth (then putting up for adoption if necessary) the majority of abortion clinics would close overnight. And laws -- and enforcement -- wouldn't even be necessary to accomplish it. (WHAT? HEY! NO LAWS? THAT MEANS WE CAN'T RULE OVER THE OTHERS? WE WON'T HEAR OF THAT! NO!)

Again, screaming "abortion is murder" and holding up pictures of aborted fetuses isn't going to get it done. Except by force.

[Risky Schemer]

You want to be known as favoring butchering living children, that is yours to carry before God

Liar. And silly too. (Ooooo. Your ears hot? I know self-appointed "scholars" hate to be called "silly"!)

It's the same silly tactic used by Democrats when they claimed the Republicans wanted to "starve children" and "kill the elderly".

Hey, if you want to claim the Bible only exists in perfect form in "the originals" (which don't even exist!), and therefore only the elite Greek and Hebrew "scholars" such as yourself have access to real truth, and the laity must come to scholars such as yourself as final arbiters and final authorities regarding what the scriptures actually say on any given subject, and completely disregard Psalm 12: 6 & 7, and want to feel that anyone who dares disagree with a scholar based on what the Bible that God gave them says is impudent, that is yours to carry before God.

[Blood of Tyrants]

Nice try, Baal worshipper. Anti-Christians always try to misuse Christ's words to guilt Christians into silence. It won't work with me, my faith and my knowledge is stronger than your lies. There is nothing in the Bible that requires me to love or accept the garbage you spew.

[Risky Schemer]

The evil and maniacal pro-lifer murders the good and reasonable pro-abortion mayor.

I thought it was perfectly clear the residents of Atown disapproved of abortion. I guess not. Maybe a bigger font and shorter words next time.

You do illustrate the raging fanatical blindness of the "abortion is murder" crowd: You either agree that abortion is "murder" or you are labeled "pro-abortion." No matter how many times you state you are not.

[Khepera]

The bible does not say at birth. You will have to quote scripture to convince me otherwise. I know you will not be able to present any scripture to verify your claim.

[SpookBrat]

I agree with some of what you said and I disagree with the rest, but I'm too tired to discuss it. Good night.

[Risky Schemer]

Nice try, Baal worshipper. Anti-Christians always try to misuse Christ's words to guilt Christians into silence. It won't work with me, my faith and my knowledge is stronger than your lies. There is nothing in the Bible that requires me to love or accept the garbage you spew.

You're absolutely right! There is absolutely nothing in the Bible that requires you to love or accept a single word I "spew!" Just for kicks and grins, though, let's see what the Bible says and see if I might have a point.

Surely you won't mind that, will you? Let's look at what the Bible says, without commenting on it (I won't even bold any type), and you can judge for yourself whether there MAY BE GROUNDS for someone to take and hold to a position that the Bible teaches that LIFE BEGINS when BREATH enters the body (and life ends when breath leaves the body), and new life begins at new birth when the Spirit of God enters into a man!

And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. -- Genesis 2:7

All the while my breath is in me, and the spirit of God is in my nostrils; My lips shall not speak wickedness, nor my tongue utter deceit. -- Job 27: 3-4

The spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life. -- Job 33:4

Thus saith the Lord GOD unto these bones; Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live: -- Ezekiel 37:5

And when I beheld, lo, the sinews and the flesh came up upon them, and the skin covered them above: but there was no breath in them. Then said he unto me, Prophesy unto the wind, prophesy, son of man, and say to the wind, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live. So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army. -- Ezekiel 37: 8-10

There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews: The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him. Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. -- John 3: 2-7

[Risky Schemer]

See #50. I don't think to persuade anyone to agree with me. What I do think to do is show that there is scriptural basis for someone to believe that the Bible teaches that life begins at birth -- when breath enters the body.

And that is certainly what I believe, and why I believe it.

[Khepera]

You are obviously too stupid to respond to. Are you sure you're logged on?

[Blood of Tyrants]

Yet you completely ignore Jeremiah, in which God says, "I knew you before you were born."

You REALLY have to twist the word of God to go from "And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul." to a position that condones the murder of unborn babies.

What demented church do you attend anyway? Does your pastor also hold these beliefs? May I e-mail him and ask him?

Do not post to me again because I won't answer. I know the devil when he is working, so begone.

[Risky Schemer]

bastards like you

Another nice person! The cheerful Charlies are out in force on this thread. Let's see, so far there's been "fool," "Partial birth abortion is hunky dory with RS," "justify murdering kids," "weird," "twisted, sick, self-serving beliefs," "you fool," "favoring butchering living children," "Satan's spawn," "lying about the Bible," "Baal worshipper," and (((shudder))) Jar Jar Binks!

My crime? Daring to suggest that there is a Biblically-based side of the argument that abortion -- though wrong -- is not murder. The argument does not condone abortion, it simply argues that the Bible does not support the charge that it is murder.

So bring it on! I'm just getting warmed up!

[Risky Schemer]

Yet you completely ignore Jeremiah, in which God says, "I knew you before you were born."

No I don't. You ignore what the verse says. Look at it:

Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations. -- Jeremiah 1:15

Before Jeremiah was even formed in the belly God says He knew Him. So to press your argument, LIFE BEGINS AT SOME POINT EVEN BEFORE CONCEPTION.

But of course it does not. God foreknowing someone is no proof of life beginning at that point. For example,

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love -- Ephesians 1: 3-4

It's clear that God foreknew people even that far back, before the foundation of the world, before one single person had been conceived in a womb. You want to argue that this proves their lives actually began back then? Think "science" will back you up on that?

[Risky Schemer]

See #57.

[Risky Schemer]

My back hurts and I'm grumpy and spoiling for a fight

"Hope your back feels better. :)"

I've been so grumpy I forgot to say "thanks."

Thanks. =)

[SpookBrat]

Your welcome. I am still here thinking about what to say to you. I'm too tired to type it out, but it's in my head. I'll be back tomorrow. Take some Advil and go to bed. :)