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We check Teddy bears for safety; why not guns?
HoustonChronicle.com ^ | April 4, 2002, 5:47PM | CHRIS HAHN

Posted on 04/05/2002 3:26:03 AM PST by rw4site

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To: backhoe
Amazing! I read an article virtually identical to this about a year ago- even had the teddy bear angle prominent in it. I swear they recycle this garbage!

This is a long-running theme of the VPC. I don't know for sure, but Josh may be the originator of the idea of giving the CPSC the authority to regulate firearms, he's certainly been the leading proponent of the notion. At least the VPC and Mr. Sugarman are open about their agenda -- his rational for proposing this is that (I'm paraphrasing) "any rational regulator would outlaw them..."

41 posted on 04/05/2002 5:51:08 AM PST by absalom01
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To: rw4site
viewpoints@chron.com - to send a response. I certainly will! This tripe has got to stop!!
42 posted on 04/05/2002 5:51:24 AM PST by coloradan
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To: rw4site
My email to the Houston Chronicle:

I have to admit, I'm stunned you would publish such a poorly reasoned article.
Hahn makes no distinction between incidental, intentional and accidental misuse of firearms. This apart from any 'safety' considerations of firearms.
Are there safety concerns? Yes. Should safety considerations trump a Second Amendment responsbility to keep and bear arms? I think not.
Mister Hahn is proof that there are 'lies, damn lies and statistics'. His logic wouldn't fly in an 'Introduction to Logic' course.
Apparently, though, it's good enough for the Houston Chronicle to post.
43 posted on 04/05/2002 5:51:42 AM PST by dyed_in_the_wool
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To: coloradan
By the way, Chris is a she.
44 posted on 04/05/2002 5:58:07 AM PST by coloradan
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To: rw4site
Why no safety regulation? Because the industry is doing a fine job by itself. True malfunctions & dangerous designs are in fact very rare - ironically, unlike the teddy bear industry.

The Remington 700 problem? A highly debatable "problem", frequently related to remarkable misuse of the product (unusual mis-maintenance, like rusting or untrained DIY-ism).

The .50 caliber problem? What problem? Nobody has been hurt (except one flagrant criminal misuse indistinguishable from equivalent criminal misuse of any other gun).

Other problems? Virtually all "problems" in this industry come from deliberate criminal misuse of the product. Most of those people who call for safety regulation don't understand the products. I wish my cars were built as well & safely as my Colt and Glock products. If an industry doesn't need regulating, don't regulate it.

45 posted on 04/05/2002 6:00:50 AM PST by ctdonath2
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To: MissMillie
And cars are killing way more people than guns, so keep working on them before you start in on guns.
46 posted on 04/05/2002 6:05:05 AM PST by freedomcrusader
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To: RogueIsland
Umm, Chris, just HOW have .50 caliber rifles been a "serious threat to public safety"? C'mon baby, let's see the numbers.

No, kidding, and actually since .50 cal target rifles were developed by civilians and adopted by the military, they should be considered a 'serious threat to the military safety', by his logic.

47 posted on 04/05/2002 6:08:38 AM PST by Dead Dog
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To: rw4site
I volunteer for the post of Secretary of Gun Safety. I hereby promise to ensure that:

Firearms will be safer by being unencumbered by any type of locking device other than a well-designed thumb safety. You wouldn't want your car's steering wheel locked when you need to make a quick maneuver; it's not a safe feature on a gun either.

Firearms will be safer by having a light, crisp trigger pull that aids accuracy and plants bad guys. You wouldn't have clunky, gritty controls on an airplane; not a safe feature on a gun either.

Firearms will be safer by having a large enough magazine capacity to ensure planting all the bad guys. Who wants a tiny hard drive or gas tank? Not a safe feature on a gun either.

Last but not least, firearms will be safer when they are freely carried without fear of being arrested or demonized. It does not good to leave a fire extinguisher or spare tire at home; not a safe idea for a gun, either.

I look forward to working with you all as we work together to make firearms safer! :)

48 posted on 04/05/2002 6:15:22 AM PST by Sender
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To: Kennesaw
This is from anywho.com

Hahn, Christopher H & Sarah Jo
3507 Hillbrook Dr
AUSTIN, TX 78731

I don't know if it's the same one, but he is listed as an attorney.

49 posted on 04/05/2002 6:20:24 AM PST by from occupied ga
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To: rw4site
The fact that there is no "gun safety" section of the government, and yet so few guns sold through legal channels are defective is proof that the free market CAN handle these issues. It's an arguement against the various inspecting arms of the government, not for them.
50 posted on 04/05/2002 6:30:02 AM PST by discostu
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To: absalom01
Yes, I've seen the "teddy bear regulation" story at least twice before. Last figure I saw on gun laws was something like 23,086 already on the books- so #23,087 will solve the problem.....
51 posted on 04/05/2002 6:44:31 AM PST by backhoe
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To: rw4site
For example, reported cases of Remington Arms Co.'s Model 700 bolt-action rifle have indicated that the rifle may unintentionally discharge when the safety is released. It has been involved in at least 100 death and injury claims and thousands of malfunction complaints.

Notice how he says "100 deaths and injury claims". Is that 1 death and 99 injuries or what? However many deaths, none of them could have occured if the simple rules of gun safety were followed. If someone released the safety while pointing the gun at thier friend or themself the problem is not the gun.

52 posted on 04/05/2002 6:45:44 AM PST by On the Road to Serfdom
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To: rw4site
Bears and guns? Support the Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.


53 posted on 04/05/2002 6:49:09 AM PST by society-by-contract
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To: backhoe
I found it.

Here:

VPC Propaganda poster

Apologies to JimRob for linking to this bilge on his board BUT, this just goes to show that the article in question is not just factually wrong, logically flawed, and poorly written, it verges on plagarism.

54 posted on 04/05/2002 7:00:11 AM PST by absalom01
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To: Sender
Let me offer a letter of support for Gun Safety Czar. I like your program.
55 posted on 04/05/2002 7:17:23 AM PST by rw4site
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To: absalom01
Good and illustrative link. Who says these people on the anti-self-defense side don't share ideas, phrases, and slogans? Collusion- or conspiracy?
56 posted on 04/05/2002 7:26:20 AM PST by backhoe
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To: rw4site
Just a bunch of vague innuendo and lies.
57 posted on 04/05/2002 7:33:22 AM PST by spqrzilla9
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To: rw4site
You can have my teddy bear when you pry it from my warm, cozy, huggy little arms.
58 posted on 04/05/2002 7:39:21 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed
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To: rw4site
This article is assinine ... perfect example of agenda thinking looking for a twisted metaphor to shore up it's point ...

"Your car? Side impact panels would not be tested for resiliency without the National Highway and Traffic Safety Administration. Your lunch hamburger? The beef would not be inspected for bacteria without the U.S. Department of Agriculture. Your child's new doll or action figure? Warnings about small parts would not be on the packaging without the governance of the Consumer Product Safety Commission.

Anyone seriously agreeing with this article ... think. The car industry added the re-inforced side door panels. The industry is continually adding features to attract new buyers infinitely buying.

So now there is car safety checks on which panels are more effective. Good idea. However it all depends on cost. Some buyers buy the smallest and least expensive cars; we all know small cars are much more likely to have serious or fatal injuries to the passengers if involved in an accident than larger, heavier cars, etc.

All cars can not be made equally safe. It goes without saying. It is the drivers of the cars that cause accidents for multitudes of reasons, chief of which is poor driving habits, speed, distraction, alcohol or drug impaired, going to sleep while driving, poor maintence of the vehicle and its systems, etc.

We do not say cars are too dangerous for people to have. We do not really enforce the rules and regulations all that well. Many immigrants drive without licenses.

Articles like this are too stupid throughout and hopefully not taken seriously. Some young and some non thinking types might jump on the bandwagon as does the medias.

59 posted on 04/05/2002 8:58:05 AM PST by Countyline
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"It's time to close the gap between the standards we hold for teddy bears and guns, for the public health's sake."

Besides ...... teddy bears are for infants and children guns are for responsible, consciencious, individuals with maturity. Of course this is not enforceable as some are not going to reach this state of development is this life.

Food is dangerous, people choke on food all the time. Usually by accident, however death follows if the blocking substance can not be dislodged. Do we make laws about it? It is the way of things. All things can not be fixed.

Parental neglect,or having lack of descent behavior theirselves do not or can not teach their children how to live life. We do not and can not stop them from having children, etcerta. The writer of such an article is a person seeking the spotlight and attempting to gain devotees.

Simply put.

60 posted on 04/05/2002 9:12:21 AM PST by Countyline
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