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Strong Views on Ads Linking Drug Use to Terrorism
New York Times ^ | Tuesday, April 2, 2002 | By ALLISON NORTH JONES

Posted on 04/01/2002 9:11:47 PM PST by JohnHuang2

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To: Virginia-American
Not only have you distorted the proper use of the English language, you have misspoken on what pharmacological properties actually are.

The textbook definition of pharmacology is, the science of drugs including materia medica, toxicology, and therapeutics.

materia medica;
-the properties and reactions of drugs especially with relation to their therapeutic value
toxicology;
-a science that deals with poisons and their effect and with the problems involved (as clinical, industrial, or legal)
therapeutics;
-a branch of medical science dealing with the application of remedies to diseases

Aside from these three drugs being defined, as dangerous substances, they haven't been compared to any shared medical definition, nor equated with the term, pharmacological properties. These three drugs, are part of a comphrehensive list of controlled substances, as noted in the Controlled Substances Act (CSA), Title II of the Comprehensive Drug Abuse Prevention and Control Act of 1970.

For the record, your distortions are noted.

If you want to further distort the truth, have at it!

21 posted on 04/04/2002 7:42:04 AM PST by Reagan Man
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To: CJ Wolf
I don't know about you, but I'm a law abiding citiizen. As for supporting the "beast", I don't support illicit drugs. You have me confused with someone else. If you read my post at #10, you would have understood that.
22 posted on 04/04/2002 7:48:55 AM PST by Reagan Man
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To: Reagan Man
...Aside from these three drugs being defined, as dangerous substances, they haven't been compared to any shared medical definition, nor equated with the term, pharmacological properties. These three drugs, are part of a comphrehensive list of controlled substances...

Being defined as dangerous?

Wouldn't a demonstration of the danger (by someone not beholden to the Feds for their $$) be a little more convincing?

23 posted on 04/04/2002 8:38:20 AM PST by Virginia-American
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To: Reagan Man
"Let's not tell them that there is a definite link between drug trafficking and the sponsorship of world-wide terrorist organizations. Let's hide the truth from our kids. LOL."

What link? Cite a source for that please. The idea that SOME drugs have a link to terrorists is plausible, but ALL drugs? Thats the most ludicrous thing I've ever heard. That vast majority of marijuana in the US is domestically grown, or comes from canada/mexico.

These people who want to decriminalize and legalize drugs, like heroin, cocaine and marijuana, are out of their minds!

I know very very few people who want to legalize heroic, cocaine AND marijuana. Many people are for decriminalizing all 3, but not legalizing. Most people I know are only for legalizing marijuana. As for being out of my mind because I am for decriminalization, I guarantee you I am not.

Overall drug use in America, has been cut in half over the last two decades. The President's National Drug Control Strategy that includes prevention, treatment and intervention, is working.

Nice cogent thought. Bush has been President for 1+ years, not 2 decades. Likewise, your information on drug usage is incorrect.
24 posted on 04/04/2002 8:45:32 AM PST by jurisdog
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To: Reagan Man
The National Drug Control Strategy is working well and targets people who want to distribute drugs, profit from drug sales and ingest illegal drugs. That includes drug kingpins and local drug dealers.

Oh really? In 2000, there were 750,000 arrests involving marijuana. Over 90 percent were for simple possession. Not for selling, not for providing to minors, not for unsafe behavior. That was over HALF of ALL drug arrests. Do you care to even acknowledge the facts?

The NDCS isn't aimed at law abiding citizens.

Oh really? That's why 76 year old women are being evicted from their HUD housing because their grandchildren are caught with drugs 3 blocks away from the project?

Across the board drug legalization has minuscule support here in the US.

First off, there is a significant differnece between legalization and decriminilization. I get the feeling you dont distinguish. Second, to the extent that you might be meaning ANY law that dulls the current drug laws, you're WAY wrong. Sure, most people dont want crack to be legal, but most people know that marijuana is safer than alcohol and that it really doesnt make any sense for it to be criminal.

Unlike, the cavalier approach that most Europeans take towards drug use, Americans understand the destructive and immoral nature of the beast.

This is the comment of someone whose never been to Europe. There are plenty of people against drugs in Europe. Your morality comment is interesting. I didn't realize that the Constitution was meant to be side-stepped when people decide that freedoms arent important if its the freedom to do something they consider immoral.

The pure ignorance involved in concluding that Marijuana is "immoral" but alcohol is ok is astounding.

Americans also understand how hard core drugs, ravage the minds of users over time, especially the developing intellectual and emotional capacity of our children.

What do you consider to be a hard core drug?

If you expect drugs, like cocaine, heroin and marijuana, to be legalized here in America, you're fooling yourself. Americans continue to support intervention and incarceration, to counter illicit drug use.

In case you arent reading the news, the majority of Americans are IN FAVOR of medical marijuana, which is contrary to your claim. Likewise, the majority of Americans are NOT in favor of jail time for recreational marijuana users.


25 posted on 04/04/2002 8:59:05 AM PST by jurisdog
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To: Reagan Man
"I don't know about you, but I'm a law abiding citiizen. As for supporting the "beast", I don't support illicit drugs. You have me confused with someone else. If you read my post at #10, you would have understood that"

The Beast I was refering to was not illicit drugs, you support the WOD. You know the one that has you paying 180 million for TV ads to educate the evil lawbreakers, that is the beast.

Anyway, odds are that you are not a law abiding citizen, maybe in the case of drug use, yes, but that's a moral decision and you wouldn't want to use even if it were legal.

How about the many other laws you do break? I'd bet if a cop watched you they could find a law to bust you on, on the first day of observation. It might be a dumb law but it will find you in violation.

You break no laws ever?

26 posted on 04/04/2002 10:36:33 AM PST by CJ Wolf
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To: jurisdog
RE: #24 & #25.

Okay. One round of tit for tat and that's it!

"... there is a definite link between drug trafficking and the sponsorship of world-wide terrorist organizations".
>>>What link? Cite a source for that please.<<<

Read the article!
"John P. Walters, director of the White House drug office, said the idea for connecting drug use and terrorism came after the State Department identified 28 terrorist organizations and linked nearly half of them to drug trafficking."

>>>The idea that SOME drugs have a link to terrorists is plausible, but ALL drugs? Thats the most ludicrous thing I've ever heard.<<<

I never said anything about "ALL drugs". You did!

>>>I know very very few people who want to legalize heroic, cocaine AND marijuana. Many people are for decriminalizing all 3, but not legalizing. Most people I know are only for legalizing marijuana. As for being out of my mind because I am for decriminalization, I guarantee you I am not.<<<

Wrong! Wrong! Wrong!
The vast majority of American's don't favor decriminalization or legalization for any illicit drugs. Even with marijuana, 70% of people oppose it being decriminalized. The reason most people you know, want to legalize pot, I venture to guess, is the same reason Bill Buckley wants pot legalized. Let's be honest, Buckley is a pot smoker and its quite obvious, so are many of your friends. LOL

>>>In 2000, there were 750,000 arrests involving marijuana. Over 90 percent were for simple possession. Not for selling, not for providing to minors, not for unsafe behavior. That was over HALF of ALL drug arrests. Do you care to even acknowledge the facts?<<<

I'll acknowledge your facts. Simple possession or not, marijuana is an illegal and controlled substance. Period!

"The NDCS isn't aimed at law abiding citizens".
>>>Oh really? That's why 76 year old women are being evicted from their HUD housing because their grandchildren are caught with drugs 3 blocks away from the project?<<<

That's too bad, but nobody said life was fair. I don't think the government is perfect, because people aren't perfect. I've got news for you, this world isn't a perfect place we all live in.

>>>... but most people know that marijuana is safer than alcohol and that it really doesnt make any sense for it to be criminal.<<<

Marijuana is safer then alcohol? That's a highly subjective statement and far from the truth. Alcohol is a legal substance, marijuana is not. Legalize marijuana and you would see it's level of use and abuse, skyrocket. The ramifications of legalizing marijuana, would have far reaching and wide ranging, detrimental effects, on every aspect of our society and culture, just as alcohol abuse has a negative impact, on so many lives today.

"Unlike, the cavalier approach that most Europeans take towards drug use, Americans understand the destructive and immoral nature of the beast".
>>>This is the comment of someone whose never been to Europe. I didn't realize that the Constitution was meant to be side-stepped when people decide that freedoms arent important if its the freedom to do something they consider immoral.<<<

You assume to know where I've traveled in my life, but the truth is, you don't have a clue.
The Constitution wasn't designed, created and established so you can have the right to ingest illicit drugs. You've got a lot to learn about life and people.

>>>The pure ignorance involved in concluding that Marijuana is "immoral" but alcohol is ok is astounding.<<<

You're being ignorant, not me. I've not initiated any comments on alcohol, except in response to your rhetoric. I never said excessive alcohol use doesn't lead to immoral behavior either. While you're entitled to your own opinion, you're not entitled to fabricate your own facts.

>>>... the majority of Americans are IN FAVOR of medical marijuana, which is contrary to your claim.<<<

What claim are you talking about? I've made no claim concerning medical marijuana. Being "IN FAVOR of medical marijuana", has nothing to do with support for its decriminalization, or legalization.

>>>Likewise, the majority of Americans are NOT in favor of jail time for recreational marijuana users.<<<

Most recreational marijuana users, aren't charged for first time possession of small amounts of pot. Even on many second and third possession charges for marijuana, most people are either let go, or given probation. Your remarks have no merit. OTOH, Americans continue to support intervention and incarceration, to counter illicit drug use, especially when it involves, drug kingpins and local drug dealers in our communities.

You're a mass of contradiction and I know why! LOL

27 posted on 04/04/2002 1:31:43 PM PST by Reagan Man
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To: Reagan Man
I never said excessive alcohol use doesn't lead to immoral behavior either

Excessive use of anything is bad. The claim that is often made on these threads is that it is somehow immoral to use pot in any quantity, presumably because not only did Congress decide so, they also had the authority and competence to get it right (even if the GOP at the time disagreed)

28 posted on 04/04/2002 4:44:38 PM PST by Virginia-American
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To: JohnHuang2
I am always amazed at conservatives and libertarians who are against gun control but FOR drug control, though my own mind is not yet made up on the subject of drug control.

Aside from that, here's a little drug/terrorism trivia paraphrased straight from "Terrorism in the Twenty-First Century" by Cindy C. Combs of UNC-Charlotte, published in 1997 and 2000 by Prentice Hall:

1. The word "assasin" comes from the Arabic "hashahin," the literal meaning of which is "hashish eater" or "one addicted to hashish." During the Middle Ages, it was used to describe a group of Muslims who were employed to spread terror in the form of murder and destruction among religious enemies. (Ask Marco Polo!)

2. "Narcoterrorism" is a networking of the trade in drugs and terrorism. In more recent times, Syria and Iran are thought to be the foremost practicers of narcoterrism. (See also Juan Mata Ballesteros.) Also, the PLO is notably sensitive to accusations of such charges, see Jaweed al-Ghussein.

3. Narcoterrorism is probably quite prevalent in Central America. ("Marxist rebels" abound!)

4. See also Grant Warlaw's paper presented at the Conference on International Drugs: Threat and Response, Defense and Intelligence College on June 2-3, 1987 entitled "Linkages between the Illegal Drugs Traffic and Terrorism."

(On a side note, I wonder how soon it will be before this administration or the next uses the Patriot Act and authorization to use all necessary force as grounds to go crazy with the feds on every street in the inner city, chasing after gangs and the like. Of course, drugs are trafficked in the suburbs too! It's all kind of a scary thought that that much power is waiting to be used.)

29 posted on 04/04/2002 5:10:51 PM PST by SpyderTim
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30 posted on 04/04/2002 5:11:33 PM PST by Bob J
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To: Bob J
Ward is making some damn good points on his idea!
31 posted on 04/04/2002 5:20:33 PM PST by SpyderTim
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To: onedoug
I agree with Bush.
32 posted on 04/04/2002 5:25:37 PM PST by dalebert
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To: Virginia-American
Like a little theft, a little abuse or a little pot - IT IS IMMORAL, UNETHICAL and UNPRODUCTIVE.

Libertarians are right with Liberal Democrats regarding the moral issues.

Many claim they would not use pot themselves, but would gladly turn a head as you proceed with that vice so they can achieve theirs.

Anarchy would be a Libertarians playground. Freedom to the extreem.

33 posted on 04/05/2002 12:36:08 AM PST by A CA Guy
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To: Virginia-American
Do you expect to get actual SENSE from the highly-misnamed Reagan Man? Or A CA Guy or any WODDIE? Hope not, it'll be a long time coming!
34 posted on 04/05/2002 12:43:24 AM PST by dcwusmc
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To: Reagan Man
The NDCS isn't aimed at law abiding citizens. All it takes is a phone call Reagan Man, care to quit hiding behind your sreen name and post your address? I'll set something up for your "Law abiding" ass, say around 2AM, no knock and guns ablazing. See it's about potheads today, it'll be about you tomorrow, lackey! The beast label you try to put on "drugs", would be better served if you recognized the real beast, your gubmint. Tighten your boot straps. Blackbird.
35 posted on 04/05/2002 12:54:39 AM PST by BlackbirdSST
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To: dcwusmc
Yes he can come to us for common sense.

To you he can go for the views of .0003% of the voting population General. Otherwise known as the fringe.

36 posted on 04/05/2002 1:01:24 AM PST by A CA Guy
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To: BlackbirdSST
Wow you have the same verbal skills as dcwusmc!

You two must read the same comic books.

39 posted on 04/05/2002 1:09:20 AM PST by A CA Guy
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To: Ghost of Jefferson
Do you know Casper by chance?
40 posted on 04/05/2002 1:11:04 AM PST by A CA Guy
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