Posted on 03/28/2002 8:04:49 AM PST by sheltonmac
Rather than crash the pro-Bush orgy threads, I thought I would honor the requests of the "we must support the president at all costs" crowd and let them bask in their Republican utopia in ignorant bliss. Consider this a thread that seeks actual debate and discussion concerning the "accomplishments" of our current president. Feel free to voice your support or opposition to the president's policies. After all, dissension, even among conservatives, can be healthy.
This thread is in response to the blatant display of sheer ignorance on the part of some FReepers. There have been several threads initiated lately that have included some rather disturbing posts. Without naming names, I would like to share some of those with you:
"I guess when you want to get MEANINGFUL CFR you avoid the obvious veto bait and keep the issue out of the dem's hands, so that hopefully you can get a Senate elected and some JUDGES appointed.This person supports the president so much that he or she is willing to overlook the clear unconstitutionality of the Incumbent Protection Act. The president ignored his oath of office and deliberately signed an unconstitutional piece of legislation as part of some well-concealed strategy? Please.I guess when you are running a WAR you don't have time for this stuff that is nothing more than petty political junk. Instead, you get the bill where the SC can decide it."
"If you're 'proud he's your President' why don't you try supporting him instead of bashing him.Translation: President Bush is smarter than his critics. We should trust him without so much as a whimper of criticism regarding any unconstitutional legislation he may force down our throats. He hasn't betrayed anyone but the American people, so back off.He's smarter than you are. He knows what he's doing.
And he hasn't betrayed anyone."
"There are many of us who have chosen to STILL support the President even though we may disagree with some of the things he's done. Where is the reality in expecting the President to agree with you on absolutely everything he does? It's nowhere. Because that reality does not exist no matter how hard we try to convince ourselves that it does.Perhaps the "one issue" that dismays so many people is the fact that the president we are expected to support has violated the very solemn oath he swore to keep, that being his promise to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States. Say what you want about Clinton. Play the "What if Gore were elected" game if you want. That was then, this is now. We have a president in office who essentially told America, "This law may be unconstitutional but I'm signing it anyway."But consider this. Think back two years ago... and now think of what the alternative could have been. Cripe, even Rosie O'Donnell admits she didn't like GWB, but even she supports him now. I am simply amazed that it takes one issue, one issue, to dismay so many people."
Has anyone read the statement on FreeRepublic's main page? It reads as follows:
Free Republic is an online gathering place for independent, grass-roots conservatism on the web. We're working to roll back decades of governmental largesse, to root out political fraud and corruption, and to champion causes which further conservatism in America.I always thought standing for smaller government meant just that, whether that means criticizing a Democrat or Republican administration. We need to ask ourselves one question: are we for smaller government and more freedom? If the answer is "Yes," then act accordingly. Let's not fall into the trap that says we must support the liberal policies of a president at all costs simply because he's not as liberal as a Democrat.
I know it, yes.
Do you?
You started a whole thread, some 300 posts long now, questioning whether FR was a place for grass-roots conservatism, based on only those scant few quotes. Apparently to you those quotes represented... something. What, exactly? You got me.
You're the one who started the thread, why not tell me?
Maybe this will satisfy the "hunger" of the angry beasts!!!
LOL!!! Do I have to admit I'm a part of the vast right wing conspiracy now?? :o)
FRegards Jim..and Happy Easter!!!
and let's make an example out of one of them and send him home..primary style
Yes......... Well said. If only everyone understood this simple concept. Gov't. was never meant to have this kind of control over our lives.
What about the white buses? You forgot about the white buses!
Again? That's the third time this week!
Principle is.
My principal was white, but the vice principal was black.
"If we put the federal government back in the constitutional cage the founders crafted for it, then these bastards wouldn't have any influence to peddle (and corruption would be a thing of the past). "...owk
Yes......... Well said. If only everyone understood this simple concept. Gov't. was never meant to have this kind of control over our lives.
348 posted on 3/28/02 9:54 AM Hawaii-Aleutian by monday
well said...
You can't. They are dead.
This is starting to sound like it belongs over on the "Beat me in St. Louis" thread.
I get this from you: "I would be surprised to learn that anyone with significant government experience would believe the Supreme Court is the only branch tasked with considering constitutional questions."
Ho-kay.... I'll check back later to see if you gave a tad more definitive explanation. Thanks in advance!
"Relax, don't do it..."
BOOM...BOOM...BOOM...
This was not directed to me, but here is your answer:
"The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the members of the several state legislatures, and all executive and judicial officers, both of the United States and of the several states, shall be bound by oath or affirmation, to support this Constitution" -- Article VI
The second one is that there will be a new President--that Bush will be a one-termer--I can assure you there are many here at FR that would fight you tooth and nail over that.
The third assumption is that the Supreme Court will cut and hack this thing to pieces.....how can anyone be so confident in the Supreme Court when yesterday's ruling regarding public housing occupants being responsible for what visitors do EVEN outside their rented premises--that was a unanimous vote!
One thing is obvious--even yourself said--there is a large amount of unconstitutionality involved with this bill....and that is what we have to live with unless and until someone says otherwise.
And for the record, McCain and his buddies like Shay insist this was only the first in a series. But, why are you so obsessed with McCain and the media....your candidate took care of him!
As it is , the Country has just been shown that the Republican Party s***s on the Constitution, as well--perhaps even more so because it appears from the language the President used in announcing why he was signing the bill, he acknowledges the unconstitutionality, but it didn't bother him--because he signed it--whereas, I've not heard the liberal scumbags talk like that--the Pervert didn't, as I recall. And all the Representatives and Senators (GOP) that voted for it did the same thing....is it any wonder we have youth that have no sense of rightness or wrongness when there are no models to guide them, but there's a ton of models to lead them the other way?
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