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***George W. Bush: Master Politician and Great American***
Stardate: 0203.28 | the Wizard

Posted on 03/28/2002 2:52:13 AM PST by The Wizard

It was so clean it was un-noticed by his enemies, and decried by his supporters, but GWB has just demonstrated a political ability that no-one on the left, and very few on the right ever saw.....

I always refer to the old Zorro scene with Basil Rathbone as the villian slicing a candle to show Tyrone Power how deft he is with a sword, because when "Zorro" does it the candle doesn't move....(The point is then shown that Tyrone's cut was SOOOOO smooth he sliced the candle so well he cut it without moving it....a truly great scene)

The First Lady did the same thing to Algore with her "...My husband sleeps with a teacher EVERY night..." comment that was so smooth a cut most of the media hasn't picked up the wound even today....

Well good Freeper Friends, that's what Old George did to the left with Johnny McCain's unconstitutional CFR Bill....

He fooled them into passing a billl that allowed more hard money, (something they would never ever allowed because it has NEVER, EVER been raised by anyone like our Commander and Chief) allowing them to include provisions that they thought would give them the edge, while knowing that others would attack and have thrown out all the offending provisions before they ever took effect, but the severably would allow the things not challanged to stand: Outcome

hard money limits have been raised and will stay raised, and the bad parts will be strck down, and we can now see that McCain was always working with GWB and the poor dems never knew it.....

What a political play.......cut to the bone and not even seeing it til after surgery is complete......


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To: rdb3
Changing your mind does not constitute a lie.

Well then the hell with any campaign promises or speeches they mean nothing

And I guess swearing an oath to defend the constitution means nothing

I mean he comes right out on the VERY day he signs the CFR and states it is constitutional .

Hey YALL this here bill is unconstitutional but I gotta sign it otherwise the democrats will criticize me
181 posted on 03/28/2002 8:08:51 AM PST by uncbob
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To: rdb3
Huh? Maybe you're just to smart and quick for a dullard like me, so why don't you enlighten me, and the rest of us idiots here?

One more time: What are you fighting for, and who are you fighting?

Excuse me, I have to wipe the drool off my keyboard. Try not to use too many big words, like pedantic or arrogant.

182 posted on 03/28/2002 8:09:25 AM PST by ModernDayCato
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To: ModernDayCato
Fight to win, by any means necessary, or die

Malcolm X speaks, then take thy noose tyrant. Ends.......Means......you spout Marxist totalitarianism well.

183 posted on 03/28/2002 8:09:26 AM PST by rbmillerjr
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To: uncbob
And if you think you are going to play games with the democrats and win you are mistaken. They are gutter fighters and trying to outsmart them by some POLITICAL RUSE isn't going to work.

Agreed (what, again??)

They are gutter fighters indeed. Actually, it does not matter what kind of fighters they are. What matters is that we prevail. Like Sean Connery said, "they bring a knife, we bring a gun. They hit us, we send them to the morgue (or something like that).
People can pontificate all day long about the Constitution, however, you cannot beat down libs by rolling up the Constitution and hitting them over the head with it.
Neither can you do that with principles.
You do it with overwhelming force, with cunning, with detached cool calculation. After you have grinded them into the dirt, then principles can govern your hand and mind in matters of great social and political import (as well as your personal life).

Bush should have been principled and vetoed it LIKE HE PROMISED other wise his WORDS MEAN NOTHING

If one is facing an opponant on the honerable field of the duel, then principles are in order, especially when honor is what the duel is about.
If the duel is about the very existance of this country, then, I am going to use any and all tools, weapons, methods and arts I can get my hands on. I will not let them use my principles against me to gain advantage. Fairness?? Screw them! They are better off being kicked while they are down.

184 posted on 03/28/2002 8:09:36 AM PST by going hot
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To: rbmillerjr
I know you're not speaking about me, but to me, right? I was thinking the same thing actually, about our enlightened friend. He sounds like a fellow traveler.
185 posted on 03/28/2002 8:10:53 AM PST by ModernDayCato
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To: NittanyLion
Now, you're talking sense. That's right. However, what if situations change?

For instance, G.W. campaigned on a tax-cut package that was a certain size. But by the time he took office, that package was far too small. It should have been larger. So, if he would have proposed a larger package than the one he campaigned on, would that be lacking in principle?

186 posted on 03/28/2002 8:10:57 AM PST by rdb3
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To: rdb3
All that tripe you just posted had absolutely nothing to do with what I actually wrote. Try again.

Don't have to it has everything to do with what you wrote
187 posted on 03/28/2002 8:11:41 AM PST by uncbob
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To: rbmillerjr
sorry Cato, that was for the Marx man rdb3
188 posted on 03/28/2002 8:12:09 AM PST by rbmillerjr
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To: uncbob
Do you think Reagan was a great president?
189 posted on 03/28/2002 8:12:43 AM PST by rdb3
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To: rdb3
No, caving on the tax cut just makes him a pu--y, not unprincipled. Even an obtuse blowhard like yourself has to know that you can't compromise away your values (if you have any).
190 posted on 03/28/2002 8:13:33 AM PST by ModernDayCato
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To: ModernDayCato
Huh? Maybe you're just to smart and quick for a dullard like me. . .

You said it. Thank you.

191 posted on 03/28/2002 8:13:43 AM PST by rdb3
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To: rdb3
For instance, G.W. campaigned on a tax-cut package that was a certain size. But by the time he took office, that package was far too small. It should have been larger. So, if he would have proposed a larger package than the one he campaigned on, would that be lacking in principle?

Wrong analogy

Bush said he would veto CFR because it was unconstitutional

When he signed the damn thing, he still said the same thing and even pointed out the salient facts for everybody to hear
192 posted on 03/28/2002 8:14:39 AM PST by uncbob
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To: cake_crumb
He is not a turnipseed. The bumbling fool caricature was put forth by the dems with media help. It was, is, and always will be at odds with reality.

The dems came to believe their own tripe, which now is coming back around to bite them in the a$$.

A man with character, conviction, and dare I say, PRINCIPLES, is mature enough to know when to hold them, when to fold them, when to duck, bob and weave, and when to hook and jab.

193 posted on 03/28/2002 8:14:41 AM PST by going hot
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To: A Vast RightWing Conspirator
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Hmmm, not a single mention of campaign donations. So, where does the campaign money equals free speech argument come from? The answer is the Supreme Court. That is why those arguing this is the way to ultimately put an end to CFR want to see it get to the Supreme Court. Otherwise, it is a political issue that will continue to be used to hammer away and gain notoriety for McCain.

194 posted on 03/28/2002 8:14:49 AM PST by Armando Guerra
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To: rbmillerjr
Yep, he talks like someone who believes his way of thinking is different than any other morally relative Socialist and he's got the magic formula that will make it all work.

Unfortunately, it's not so original: do anything you can to win isn't all that innovative.

195 posted on 03/28/2002 8:15:01 AM PST by ModernDayCato
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To: rdb3
Okay, so enlighten me. You want to win, so WHAT ARE YOU FIGHTING FOR AND WHOM ARE YOU FIGHTING?
196 posted on 03/28/2002 8:15:52 AM PST by ModernDayCato
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To: rdb3
For instance, G.W. campaigned on a tax-cut package that was a certain size. But by the time he took office, that package was far too small. It should have been larger. So, if he would have proposed a larger package than the one he campaigned on, would that be lacking in principle?

All due respect, your analogy is faulty. If the economic environment changed, Bush was free to point that out and revise his plan accordingly. In this case, Bush admitted that his views had not changed - yet he still signed the bill.

197 posted on 03/28/2002 8:16:38 AM PST by NittanyLion
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To: Armando Guerra
Oh, come on. How you spend your money is arguably the most important 'freedom' you have.
198 posted on 03/28/2002 8:17:40 AM PST by ModernDayCato
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To: BillofRights
comment? ~.~
199 posted on 03/28/2002 8:17:42 AM PST by christine
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To: ModernDayCato;all
Hey guys that guy is the mascot for the enlightened view, it's one of the Bush daughters.

People who throw war and fighting around so hastily and without thought can neither fight nor think.

At least the other PartyLine guys could throw up a debate.

200 posted on 03/28/2002 8:17:42 AM PST by rbmillerjr
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