Ask the imam: Why can t the Jews and Muslims live together in peace?

Islam Q&A ^

[knighthawk]

I am speaking under correction. Please do correct me if I don't have my facts right:

According to The Bible there is no country such as Israel, only Palestine. The Jew and the Arab, both stemming from Abraham is in fact half brothers. So why can they not live in harmony in a new country called Palestine?

Praise be to Allaah.

Your question may be answered by the following points:

There is no doubt that the Prophet of Allaah Ibraaheem (Abraham) was a pure monotheist, and he was not among the polytheists and disbelievers. Although the Jews are among the offspring of Ibraaheem (peace be upon him), they went against his way by associating partners in worship with Allaah and claiming that ‘Uzayr (Ezra) was a “son of God.” They said that God is miserly and that His hand is “tied up”, and they said, “He is poor and we are rich.” They also said that when God created the heavens and the earth in six days, He got tired, so He rested on the Sabbath day – exalted be Allaah far above all that they say about Him. They also likened the attributes of God to human attributes (anthropomorphism) and killed the Prophets, etc., etc.

Once this distinction and contrast is made clear, there can be no brotherhood between a monotheistic believer and a polytheistic disbeliever, as Allaah says in the Qur’aan (interpretation of the meaning): “Indeed there has been an excellent example for you in Ibraaheem and those with him, when they said to their people, ‘Verily, we are free from you and whatever you worship besides Allaah. We have rejected you, and there has started between us and you, hostility and hatred forever, - until you believe in Allaah Alone,’ – except the saying of Ibraaheem to his father: ‘Verily, I will ask for forgiveness (from Allaah) for you, but I have no power to do anything for you before Allaah.’ Our Lord! In You (Alone) we put our trust, and to You (Alone) we turn in repentance, and to You (Alone) is (our) final Return, - … Certinaly, there has been in them an excellent example for you to follow, - for those who look forward to (the Meeting with) Allaah – (for the reward from Him) and the Last Day. And whosoever turn away, then verily, Allaah is Rich (Free of all wants), Worthy of all Praise.” [al-Mumtahinah 60:4,6]

Once this separation and enmity is clear, it is unavoidable that there will be hostility and disavowal and the resulting struggle against the enemies of Allaah. So long as the laws and wisdom of Allaah dictate that there should the distinction between believers and disbelievers, there has to be this clearly-stated enmity. There can be no change to the laws of Allaah.

There cannot be harmony between Jews – who are usurpers and aggressors, who have oppressed and persecuted others, and who are known for their treachery and corruption throughout the world, historically and in the present age – and the purely monotheistic Muslim owners of the land, whose menfolk the Jews have killed, and imprisoned their sons, and destroyed their homes, and taken possession of their lands by force, and prevented them from earning a proper living, and carried out chemical and radiational experiments on their prisoners, and taken organs from them for transplant into Jewish patients… and all other kinds of persecutions and atrocities.

In addition to this, the Jews are people of treachery and betrayal; it is not possible to trust them at all. Their current conduct bears this out: is there any treaty or agreement signed by them that they have actually fulfilled? This is no big surprise for the Muslims, who know what Allaah has said in His Book about the Jews (interpretation of the meaning): “Is it not (the case) that every time they make a covenant, some party among them throws it aside? Nay! The truth is most of them believe not.” [al-Baqarah 2:100].

Moreover, if the Muslims agreed to live in peace with the Jews, who would be in charge? One of the basic principles of Islam is that Islam should prevail, not be prevailed over. One of the conditions for People of the Book (Jews and Christians) living with Muslims in a Muslim country is that they should live under certain conditions (shuroot ahl al-dhimmah) in return for the security and protection afforded them by the Muslims. One of the most important of these conditions is that they should not openly display their shirk and kufr (polytheistic disbelief) in the Muslim lands, whether by word or deed.

As the Muslims and Jews are enemies residing in opposing religious and doctrinal camps, it is not possible for them to be brought together unless one is made to submit to the other by force. Indeed, the Jews now are not allowing the Muslims to remain in their homes, even if there was no provocative action on the part of the Muslims; they are seizing the Muslims’ property by force, building their settlements on the Muslims’ lands and expelling the Muslims by any means. They have expelled millions to the neighbouring countries, which have accommodated them in the so-called Palestinian refugee camps.

Finally, although the Muslims nowadays are in a position of weakness and humiliation – because they have turned away from their religion – and are unable to fight the Jews, take back their stolen lands and impose the rule of Islamic sharee’ah in Palestine, this does not mean that this will always be the case until the end of the world. Things have to change, and one of the indications of this is the hadeeth of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), who informed us of some things that are to happen in the future. He was supported by Revelation from his Lord; he did not speak of his own whims and desires, but of that which was revealed to him. He said:

“You will fight the Jews and will prevail over them, so that a rock will say, ‘O Muslim! There is Jew behind me, kill him!’” (Reported by Muslim, 2921; al-Bukhaari, 2926).

According to a report narrated by Muslim from Abu Hurayrah, the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The Hour [the Day of Judgement] will not begin until the Muslims fight the Jews and kill them. A Jew will hide behind a rock or a tree, and the rock or tree will say, ‘O Muslim, O slave of Allaah! There is a Jew behind me, come and kill him!’ – except for the gharqad (box thorn), for it is one of the trees of the Jews.” (Reported by Muslim, 2922).

[knighthawk]

See post #160

[knighthawk]

You got it. And don't forget the UN. That's why Mein Kampf is a bestseller in the Arab countries.

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[rebdov]

Jewish law does not allow us to force the final battle. But I think it is drawing apace. Moreover, the government in Israel still believes in political settlements. I think they are woefully ignorant of the obvious, but I can understand why they want to believe there is still hope. It seems like every 30 years about there is a major war in the world. WWI and II were about 30 years apart, and remember that by the Yom Kippur War about 30 years later it was only by hair that the world avoided a world war. Each time the world comes closer to the brink. I remember that Nixon ( a man who really deserves the gratitude of every Jew) put all armed forces internationally on the highest level alert as did the Soviets. The world came that close then. It is 30 years later. I hope Moshiach comes in peace, but if through war, then that is the way it must be. I hope that more Jews realize how hopeless the political broken reed is and turn to G-d. The Jews, the Arabs, the world needs and cries out for Moshiach NOW.

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

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[crystalk]

Ethiopia is not an Islamic country, but to be fair your statistics probably date from before its onetime unification with neighboring Eritrea, which IS Islamic, had come unstuck.

[Michael2001]

Thanks for posting this. Straight from the horse's mouth.

[Michael2001]

Are there any Muslim countries in which Christians have lived in peace and prosperity?

[Michael2001]

You can moral equivalence Islam and Christianity all you want, but the fact of the matter is that there are hundreds of millions of Muslims who want to see us either living as slaves or dead. What are we supposed to do?

[crystalk]

Nostradamus in one of his clearest passages says that it will be 57 years between WWII and WW III, and that is up this spring and summer.

As for the Messianic age, it would have come, and the Indignation ended, in AD 1967 if Israel had had the faith and observance to tear down the abominations standing there, and reinstitute the Temple.

God would like to end the Hester Panim, but cannot while those stand. A date is given in Scripture for them to come down though, a Jewish year, but it is not this year now running.

[Michael2001]

Just don't like to play "My God is better than your God", as that will only insult those who don't share our beliefs.

My God is the only one true God. However I have no problem being neighbors with someone who does not believe in God, as long as that neighbor does not want me dead.

[crystalk]

Are there any countries in which felines are vegetarians?

Meow.

[Captain Shady]

It isn't the trees I am worried about. That word really means "bushes," and I am afraid a bush might tell them to kill Jews.

No ,not President George W. Bush.

[knighthawk]

It's hard to deny stuff like this when it comes from amidst their own.

[eleni121]

Muslim Turks may have accepted some Jews after the reconquest of Spain from the Muslims (for their own benefit) but it didn't take too long for them to butcher millions of Christians living in Asia Minor and the Balkans for a thousand years.

[tictoc]

Jewish law does not allow us to force the final battle.

Okay. But the rest of your statement...

I hope Moshiach comes in peace, but if through war, then that is the way it must be. I hope that more Jews realize how hopeless the political broken reed is and turn to G-d. The Jews, the Arabs, the world needs and cries out for Moshiach NOW.... is IMHO loony. I am Jewish and a strong supporter of Israel but by mixing religion and politics you are coming close to falling into the same trap as the adherents of political Islam.

[Aliska]

You can moral equivalence Islam and Christianity all you want, but the fact of the matter is that there are hundreds of millions of Muslims who want to see us either living as slaves or dead. What are we supposed to do?

Saying I don't like to insult their religion is not moral equivalence. Salman Rushdie got himself into a bit of hot water by insulting Mohammad's wives (or they took it as an insult). The pope asked Catholics not to buy the book. I didn't buy the book nor did I check it out at the library (if it was there or not I don't know). Frankly the book didn't sound interesting.

What are we supposed to do? Get on with our lives and try to live our faith as best we can in the midst of it all. I suppose we'll have to take over the world and try to tame them . . . sigh.

Obviously we can't wantonly start killing them all just because we think they might be wanting us dead or enslaved. . .

It will all end up in a terrible war or series of wars no doubt.

What am I going to do personally? Not feed my emotions of fear and hatred. They are very destructive emotions.

First I was supposed to hate the Japanese. Then I was supposed to hate the Germans. Then I was supposed to hate the North Koreans. Then I was suppoosed to hate the Russians. Then I was supposed to hate the North Vietnamese and the Cubans . . . and the Central Americans . . . I'm tired of hating and fearing.

This, too, will pass.

[eleni121]

I can just imagine where you are getting your "facts" from...fact is that Muslims were expert at taking others' cultural and scientific achievements and translating and transmitting the as their own. Most of the so called Muslim/Arab math we hear about was simply taken from the ancient Greeks and Persians as they were conquered. Nothing wrong with that I suppose but to say that it was the arab Muslims who did it is just plain ignorant.

[rebdov]

We say that we expect the imminent arrival of Moshiach any moment of the dayonany given day, though some are more auspicious than others. Especially now in the month of Nissan, which means miracles pallindromically, we can expect to witness miracles. In Nissan we were redeemed and in Nissan we are destined to be redeemed in the future. I expect Moshiach literally NOW.

All the times of prediction have long past, and it is the time for the kindling of the lights for the eternal Sabbath. May we merit that G-d hastens the arrival of Moshiach and the redemption of the world.

[Aliska]

Okay. If you say so, but they had to wait for AlGore to invent the internet, first.

Good one :-).