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The Israeli Art Student Papers
Antiwar.com ^ | March 21, 2002 | Introduction by Justin Raimondo

Posted on 03/21/2002 12:56:40 PM PST by H.R. Gross

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1 posted on 03/21/2002 12:56:40 PM PST by H.R. Gross
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John Sugg won an award from an Arab group for "proving" the book "Islamic Jihad" by Steven Emerson is a fraud (NPR is not a fan of Emerson either).Suggs is also connected to Jeff Cohen of FAIR. He is not a source I would quote for anything.
2 posted on 03/21/2002 1:07:21 PM PST by LarryLied
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To: H.R. Gross
Sounds like there's some government folks who are tired of this story being covered-up. Loose lips sink ships.
3 posted on 03/21/2002 1:07:32 PM PST by AshleyMontagu
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To: H.R. Gross
So where are the facts supporting these allegations? This is the same recycled bull that was posted 20x before.
4 posted on 03/21/2002 1:09:54 PM PST by BrooklynGOP
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To: LarryLied
It does sound as though he is biased about Israel. But does that make this whole interesting story wrong? It's not like he's the first to report it. And a hot potato issue like this is bound to only be reported by outsider types at first. Except of course for the Jewish Forward, Jane's Defense Weekly and Carl Cameron of Fox News.
5 posted on 03/21/2002 1:10:48 PM PST by AshleyMontagu
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To: BrooklynGOP
So where are the facts supporting these allegations?

Insight Magazine:

: Investigative Report - Intelligence Agents Or Art Students?

Jane's Intelligence Review:

Allies and Espionage

The Jewish publication, The Forward:

Spy Rumors Fly on Gusts of Truth

A lot of people are putting their reputation on the line. They know the smears which will come if they are wrong (or if they are right, doesn't matter, does it?)

6 posted on 03/21/2002 1:16:55 PM PST by LarryLied
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To: H.R. Gross
The ‘Israeli Art Student’ Papers? History repeats itself as farce, with Justin Raimondo in a starring role.


7 posted on 03/21/2002 1:17:17 PM PST by The Great Satan
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To: AshleyMontagu
It does sound as though he (John Sugg) is biased about Israel. But does that make this whole interesting story wrong?

Nope. Sugg is interesting though. What is he doing hanging around with Jeff Cohen? Why do FAIR and NPR hate Steven Emerson and his book "Islamic Jihad?"

8 posted on 03/21/2002 1:22:04 PM PST by LarryLied
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To: H.R. Gross
Even IF these Israelis were spies, how could their entering government office buildings, etc. in Texas and Florida have given them the head's up on 9/11? According to Osama, most of the hijackers didn't even know the nature of their mission. And why would Israel go to all this trouble to learn of sabotage in the U.S., if Israel wasn't going to do anything with that information?

All nations spy on those nations which potentially impact them, and of course Israel and the U.S. spy on each other regularly. But naturally, Israeli spying is done to benefit Israel. We expect Israel to spy on us to get our technology and military plans; isn’t this more likely than their picking up 9/11 plans?

While Israeli spying would generally be intended to benefit Israel directly, it could also be done for indirect benefit. Possibly Israel would spy on Arabs here in order to help out the U.S., presumably in return for some other intelligence (or weapons and financial support, which we give them in droves). Given the legal difficulties imposed on the CIA and other federal agencies’ activities within the U.S., isn't it at least as possible that the Israeli art students, if they were spies, were actually spying with the knowledge of, and on behalf of, the CIA? Wouldn’t this explain why they were allowed to stay for so long? And wouldn't the U.S. government want to keep the arrangement secret, and to get them out of the country post 9/11, while denying their spy status?

So even if the shadyness can be assumed, one cannot assume evil intent on the part of the Israelis or the U.S. federal government or CIA.

9 posted on 03/21/2002 1:24:24 PM PST by DWPittelli
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To: The Great Satan
The ‘Israeli Art Student’ Papers? History repeats itself as farce, with Justin Raimondo in a starring role.

Forget Raimondo. If I wanted this story debunked, I would give it to him to report as truth. What about Paul M. Rodriguez?

10 posted on 03/21/2002 1:25:45 PM PST by LarryLied
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To: The Great Satan
Your attempts at smearing critcs of Israel are a deliberate ploy to undermine the differences between Judaism and Zionism.

11 posted on 03/21/2002 1:30:09 PM PST by Pay now bill Clinton
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To: LarryLied
Didn't Rodriguez in Insight also do a story on Mossad and Clinton? I think I read something about that on Free Republic.
12 posted on 03/21/2002 1:31:25 PM PST by mv1
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To: DWPittelli
isn't it at least as possible that the Israeli art students, if they were spies, were actually spying with the knowledge of, and on behalf of, the CIA?

Maybe. But maybe they had agents in the US government protecting them too. And when the spies got caught up in the post 9/11 dragnet, they couldn't cover for them anymore.

13 posted on 03/21/2002 1:33:01 PM PST by LarryLied
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To: BrooklynGOP
"Where are the facts?"

The point is you can read the original 60-page DEA report. I doubt most of you would be interested.

14 posted on 03/21/2002 1:37:21 PM PST by Tarakotchi
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To: Pay now bill Clinton
Right dude. You love Jews and hate Israel. That is one worn out tune!
15 posted on 03/21/2002 1:39:38 PM PST by dennisw
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To: LarryLied
 

 

 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A45802-2002Mar6&notFound=true


Reports of Israeli Spy Ring Dismissed

 

By John Mintz and Dan Eggen
Washington Post Staff Writers
Wednesday, March 6, 2002; Page A06

A wide array of U.S. officials yesterday dismissed reports that the U.S. government had broken up an Israeli espionage ring that consisted of young Israelis attempting to penetrate U.S. agencies by selling artwork in federal buildings.

"This seems to be an urban myth that has been circulating for months," said Justice Department spokeswoman Susan Dryden. "The department has no information at this time to substantiate these widespread reports about Israeli art students involved in espionage."..................................

Several officials said the allegations -- first reported by a French online publication and later by other news organizations -- of a massive U.S. probe of Israeli spies appear to have been circulated by a single employee of the Drug Enforcement Administration who is angry that his theories have not gained currency.......................

But two law enforcement officials said the disgruntled DEA agent, who disagreed with the conclusion of FBI and CIA intelligence experts that no spying was taking place, appears to be leaking a memo that he himself wrote.......................

 


16 posted on 03/21/2002 1:51:56 PM PST by dennisw
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To: DWPittelli
We expect Israel to spy on us to get our technology and military plans

We do?...Is this before or after we send them the check for $3 billion plus each year?

17 posted on 03/21/2002 1:53:19 PM PST by hangin' chad
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To: Tarakotchi
Yes, I've read that several times. It's the most hyped, rambling document I've ever seen, making JFK conspiracy twaddle look like a model of clarity and logic. It's a big list of suspicious Israelis caught with secret plans, oops, crappy art, over a two-year period.

One even had the temerity to set up outside a mall! The chutzpah of these guys.

"My name is Bond," one of them says, "Shimon Bond."

18 posted on 03/21/2002 1:57:10 PM PST by anatolfz
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To: dennisw
I AM Jewish, but I would never in a million years choose to live over there.
19 posted on 03/21/2002 2:07:45 PM PST by Pay now bill Clinton
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