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60-40 Senate Votes to Stomp out Freedom of Speech

Posted on 03/20/2002 12:51:54 PM PST by toenail

In direct and wanton violation of their oaths of office, sixty U.S. Senators just voted to squash the First Amendment to the Constitution.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Constitution/Conservatism
KEYWORDS: corruption; crime; treason
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To: VRWC_minion
By choosing not to enforce certain sections, it is the equivalent of a line item veto.

Only until the next President comes along and enforces them. Are we so shortsided that we are willing to give up an essential freedom for a temporary political advantage? Of course if you "don't enforce" and take the unconstitutional parts to SCOTUS, then IF they declare them unconsitutional, you've got the same effect as a veto. Until they just pass the same law again, which of course they could after a veto also, but they'd have to wait until Bush is out of office, knowing he would veto it again.

341 posted on 03/20/2002 6:25:04 PM PST by El Gato
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To: El Gato
but only one Demo who did not

Missed one, there were two Dems who voted NAY. Point still stands that the Dems are must better at enforcing party discipline, probably through having better files on their members, as well as their opponents.

342 posted on 03/20/2002 6:30:09 PM PST by El Gato
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To: AppyPappy;TigerTale;Ksen
Source, please.

I am almost positive I heard Ari Fletcher say a few weeks
ago to the press when they asked: "If CFR passes
will the president veto it? Ari's answer to them was: "The
president has said he will not veto it.

343 posted on 03/20/2002 6:50:36 PM PST by Spunky
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To: dittomom
I got the stupid e-mail from McCain's site. I didn't have the stomach to read it. So should I complain to Barbara about her gutless son? LOL!!
344 posted on 03/20/2002 6:51:09 PM PST by DLfromthedesert
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To: ao98
I continue to believe the best reform is full and timely disclosure of campaign contributions.

I think that even disclosure is a bad thing, especially for contributions under $1,000. Disclosure is essentially the opposite of privacy. Right now, you get your name, home address, job title and employer posted on the web if you make a $200 contribution. And since records go back to 1980, anyone can find out where you used to work and where you used to live. Full searches allow for someone to search by zip, or even by company. So if you work at a company, all your co-workers will know whom you support. All your neighbors will know this.

Clients of yours, customers of yours, everyone knows. Yet this really shouldn't be. $200 isn't going to get you in the Lincoln bedroom, it isn't going to change any legislation, etc. Yet your privacy gets totally blown away when you make a $200 contribution. So I full heartedly disagree. Disclosure isn't the answer.

345 posted on 03/20/2002 6:57:43 PM PST by Koblenz
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To: El Gato
By choosing not to enforce certain sections, it is the equivalent of a line item veto.

Only until the next President comes along and enforces them

Even sooner than that. The moment Bush refuses to enforce a section, the administration will be sued in court to enforce it and will get blasted by said court (and the press) for selective enforcement.

346 posted on 03/20/2002 7:00:51 PM PST by ExpandNATO
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To: DLfromthedesert
No, don't read it. It's just the same crap he spewed on the Senate floor, thanking Feingold and damn near anyone else he could think of.

As for Babs, she can't tell her son what to do, but ya know she has her ways of letting him know she's displeased. All Moms have that!

347 posted on 03/20/2002 7:19:38 PM PST by dittomom
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To: Aggie Mama
The courts will never uphold this.

BTTT!

348 posted on 03/20/2002 7:26:53 PM PST by Salvation
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To: Wphile
He hasn't signed it yet, Wphile. I'm betting he still has a card up his sleeve. He's always a step ahead of the game.
349 posted on 03/20/2002 7:33:01 PM PST by ohioWfan
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To: ohioWfan
I hate to break it to you Ohio. But check out the WhiteHouse website. It's right there.
350 posted on 03/20/2002 7:41:49 PM PST by Wphile
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To: Uncle Bill
Thanks UB.
351 posted on 03/20/2002 7:43:41 PM PST by nunya bidness
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To: Wphile
I know that, Wphile. I'm just waiting for what he actually says and does. In any case, I trust him, and I'm praying for him like crazy right now.......and so are lots of other people. We'll see what really happens, but I'm not going to be angry with him for something that hasn't actually been done yet.
352 posted on 03/20/2002 7:46:52 PM PST by ohioWfan
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To: toenail
...he said, contending the measure would prove detrimental to the political parties.

Good!

353 posted on 03/20/2002 8:13:39 PM PST by VMI70
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To: ken5050
Writ of Certiorari, I think it's called.
354 posted on 03/20/2002 8:19:15 PM PST by VMI70
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To: Reagan Man
In the end, I'm confident, the USSC will overturn those parts that directly infringe on our First Amendment rights.

They will have to veto the whole thing because its all or nothing according to the Constitution. In fact, the Congress had a provision in the bill that said the Supreme Court did not have the power to veto all of bill, which is a direct violation of the separation of powers. This should make any self respecting justice rule against this immediately, but you never know with some of the, like Souter.

355 posted on 03/20/2002 8:22:42 PM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: VRWC_minion
Option B is to not enforce those sections which are not constitutional. That would be Bush's style. Brilliant compromise.

Not at all. Even if never actually enforced this would be a nasty "chiller" statute. Actually, not enforcing it makes it worse since it's impossible to challenge a statute that's never enforced.

It's important to recognize that this statute wouldn't have to be enforced to have its intended effect: the severe curtailment of political speech by 'unapproved' groups. After all, even if nobody has 'yet' been prosecuted under this abomination, how many broadcast stations or newspapers would be willing to risk running an ad which could get them in legal trouble if the government changed its mind about enforcing this garbage?

If the President signs this garbage, I will seek to get him unelected. Arresting congresscritters who voted for it after having admitted that it was unconstitutional would probably be a bit too controversial, but would be a far better action to uphold the Constitution.

356 posted on 03/20/2002 8:55:52 PM PST by supercat
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To: KC_Conspirator
They will have to veto the whole thing because its all or nothing according to the Constitution.

I'm not sure how its exactly worded. I've been attempting to read the legislation tonight, but as usual, you have to be a lawyer to undertsand most of the finer points, as they relate existing law. But if I'm not mistaken, it's quite proper, for certain parts of this CFR legislation to be found unconstitutional by the USSC, while other parts can be deemed constitutional. At least that's the way I understand it to be.

Check it out here. Plug "HR 2356" into the number box.

357 posted on 03/20/2002 9:02:30 PM PST by Reagan Man
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To: NittanyLion
Wouldn't that old retiring accommodationist Fred Thompson also be among those Howard Baker-loving types opposed to the First Amendment here?
358 posted on 03/20/2002 9:11:12 PM PST by Theodore R.
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To: dittomom
Domenici should retire to his beloved Albuquerque -- if they will have him back. Retire now, for Pete's sake, Pete Domenici! NM deserves better!
359 posted on 03/20/2002 9:13:00 PM PST by Theodore R.
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To: ao98
Graham liked all the publicity he got from the clinton whitewash. I expect him to stray from the conservative reservation many times when he becomes Thurmond's successor next January. In time, I see him going the route of Fred Thompson or Howard Baker.
360 posted on 03/20/2002 9:16:11 PM PST by Theodore R.
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