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Hispanic Texas
Arizona Daily Star ^ | March 16, 2002 | Unnamed

Posted on 03/17/2002 6:00:26 AM PST by Love America or move to ......

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To: Dane
JMO, but you all have a knee jerk reaction (which the demo's and the press exploit) when faced with a candidate with a Spanish surname.

Yes, what a narrow brush.

The Democrats just hate statements like yours here.




141 posted on 03/17/2002 10:46:42 AM PST by Sabertooth
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To: Dane
Latino's are a natural fit for the Republican party, they are cultuarlly conservative, but all you do is push them away with your xenophobic rantings and the demo's exploit that.
African Americans are culturally more conservative than anyone. They are also Yellow Dog dems.

Also, as Hispanics assimilate ( or rather become radicalised by extremists) they become less conservative.

142 posted on 03/17/2002 10:47:30 AM PST by rmlew
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To: Dane
That is so dumb----no one minds if someone like Henry Bonilla campaigns because he isn't a racist panderer like Sanchez. It's not the name ----it's the type of politics:

Dan Morales, the tenacious former attorney general, is Mr. Sanchez's main rival in today's primary. Mr. Morales, a critic of affirmative action who is still hoping to pull a major upset, has accused Mr. Sanchez of acting as if he were running for governor of Mexico, comparing him to a Mexican patron who feels entitled to buy the election because he already owns everything else.

The unprecedented Texas showdown between the two Hispanic candidates has been a slugfest, filled with charges of ethical and ethnic shortcomings, and presenting different models of Mexican-American assimilation. Mr. Sanchez insisted that one of their two debates be in Spanish. Mr. Morales accused Mr. Sanchez of using race and language to drive a wedge between Texans. "This is Texas and in Texas we speak English as our primary language," he said. During the Spanish-language debate, Mr. Morales, like some defiant hostage unwilling to be cowed by his captors, insisted on translating his own answers into English.

From http://www.tonysanchez.com/news/pressclips/March02/031202b.htm (his own webpage)

143 posted on 03/17/2002 10:51:23 AM PST by FITZ
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To: janetgreen
"Again, what we are talking about is ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION in the millions, and their drain on our social services, the bills being paid by us. Where is your problem in understanding that?"

Hmmm. Then why not go to your representatives and demand the end to this practice? You see, this where you lose the argument and tip your hand. Instead of taking what would appear to be the easier route, you demand that everyone be rounded up in busses, sent back across the border and a wall built to keep them out.

If you're issue is welfare and social services, demand from you're elected reps (ER) that the laws be changed so they cannot receive them. If you're issue is crime, demand from you're ER's that they get tough on crime. If you're issue is jobs, demand that the INS step up it's efforts to prosecute business's that employ them. If you're issue is just plain illegal immigration, demand that congress quadruple the border patrol budget so they can do the job.

It's funny to me how people scream about the tax impact of illegals that seems minor when compared to the hundreds of billions that are wasted every year by local, state and the federal governments through waste, fraud, corruption and a bloated and unconstitutional bureaucracy. It's funny to me when people scream about the comparatively small amount of crime committed by illegals when we have rampant theft, rape and murder committed by our own citizens. It's funny to me when people scream about the "illegality" of crossing the border without papers when there has to be a citizen on the other side willing to illegally pay them under the table or there would be no incentive to pay the coyotes to run them.

I'm not saying problems concerning illegal immigration aren't important, just that the hysteria seems out of proportion and sometimes misplaced. You can't defeat you're opponent until you recognize who or what it is.

144 posted on 03/17/2002 10:51:42 AM PST by Bob J
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To: Diddle E. Squat
And being poor, often it is simply out of self-interest. If you are struggling and someone offers you a handout, the temptation is to take it and not ask too many questions. I think many here forget that for some there is a political learning curve. That doesn't mean excuse it, but rather factor it in when explaining conservatism and deciding whether or not to reach out to 'other groups'.

What you've said here sums up much of the danger to the Republican Party posed by mass immigration both legal and illegal.

The illegals are mostly "economic refugees" fleeing poverty and running to America's jobs and social programs. Most of the legal immigrants come here broke and start working their way up from the bottom. They are overwhelmingly future DemocRAT voters.

What does a recent immigrant care about American conservatism. They want to establish themselves in America and will accept any hand that will give them a hand up or a hand out. (And I speak from a great deal of personal experience with recent immigrants having been born in NYC and now living and working there). Later as they become educated and accumulate earning power and assets they may want less government , less taxation, and less social programs. But this process takes time. The problem with current mass immigration is that too many people are coming in too fast. The numbers are so great that they are exerting too much influence in American Politics. America is not assimilating them, they are changing America. America is not giving them the time to become educated and learn about, for example American conservatism.

They are adding large numbers of voters to the Democrat registration rolls.

145 posted on 03/17/2002 10:51:54 AM PST by Love America or move to ......
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To: FITZ; Sabertooth
You make some good points about old conservative Mexicans versus newer immigrant socialist leaning Mexicans. Night hides not also had some good points about the maturation of a Democrats mind.

Reminded me of the old Churchill quote that goes something like this: "If you're young and you're not a liberal, you have no heart. If you're old and you're not a conservative, you have no mind."

Bottom line Fitz, they're still not monolithic, just as white America is not. How many leftist brainwashed white kids get out of college and get real?

146 posted on 03/17/2002 10:52:53 AM PST by BOBTHENAILER
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To: Sabertooth
Yes, what a narrow brush.

The Democrats just hate statements like yours here.

Why should they, you(Sabertooth) provide the demo's with enough fodder(ammunition) with your rants of immigrants "deporting themselves".

JMO Sabertooth, you are your own worst enemy.

Will be back later, but I am going to have a Sunday dinner of Corned Beef and Cabbage, popularized by those(according to Sabertooth's rants) dirty immigrants, the Irish.

147 posted on 03/17/2002 10:53:55 AM PST by Dane
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To: Dane
So do you think Morales is hysteric and an immigrant basher because he compared Sanchez to a Mexican politician buying himself an election?
148 posted on 03/17/2002 10:54:15 AM PST by FITZ
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To: Love America or move to ......
"Texas, following California, also would become the second state in which Hispanic voters put an end to Republican dominance."
How could so many Republicans be so wrong about the effects of mass Latino immigration on the future of the Republican Party? And be so pro-illegal alien amnesty?
Their insistence that Latinos eventually will vote Republican reminds me of the Marine Colonel in the movie Full Metal Jacket. To paraphrase him: "Inside every Democrat Immigrant Latino voter is a Conservative Republican dying to get out".

The do not call it the stupid party for nothing..common sense and a knowlege history should have clued them in..but they remain clueless

149 posted on 03/17/2002 10:54:46 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: Bob J
Hmmm. Then why not go to your representatives and demand the end to this practice?

Hmmm... been there, done that, Bob, almost on a daily basis for years. They don't listen, they do what their agenda calls for, and they keep getting re-elected here in California by liberals. Don't preach to me, I've tried everything.

150 posted on 03/17/2002 10:55:45 AM PST by janetgreen
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To: varon; AzJP
You are correct, Varon. The typical 'Mezzican' is looking for a 'FREE-RIDE' for his family, not FREEDOM.
151 posted on 03/17/2002 10:56:09 AM PST by 4Freedom
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To: Dane
It's fairly obvious over the last 10-12 days, that immigration reform, policy and philosophy is not the issue for the increasingly recognizable obsessives here. It's not immigration, it's the immigrants. It's not security concerns, it's not economic injury ... it's cultural encroachment they so abhor and fear. There's no underlying virtue or foundation of respect to start any debate with them. They don't like Mexicans. Legal or illegal. They want them out. I want these creeps out.
152 posted on 03/17/2002 10:57:01 AM PST by ArneFufkin
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To: FITZ
Hey Fitz, I saw plenty of politics during my 15 years in El Paso! Here's the REAL truth as to why the Republicans have written off El Paso: NOBODY CARES ABOUT EL PASO, INCLUDING THE DEMOCRATS! Out of a population of over 600,000, less than 50,000 vote during a November election.

The attitude in El Paso has always been to grab for whatever scraps they can get from Austin. El Paso closely resembles Ciudad Juarez to the South: very few people control the wealth and power in El Paso. There have been numerous stories about the 'brain drain' from El Paso, as thousands of the best and brightest El Pasoans flee to cities such as Dallas, Houston, Austin, etc. for greater economic opportunities.

During the six years since I left El Paso, my income has more than doubled, my kids are in better schools, and I'm able to spend more time with my family.

I could go on and on, but I won't. El Paso could be a great city, but those who pull the levers of power have no desire to lose their exalted status. I loved living there, but weep for the people who have missed out on so many opportunities.

BTW Fitz, how 'bout telling us what part of Texas you live in?

153 posted on 03/17/2002 10:59:04 AM PST by Night Hides Not
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To: Dane
Will be back later, but I am going to have a Sunday dinner of Corned Beef and Cabbage, popularized by those(according to Sabertooth's rants) dirty immigrants, the Irish.

Dirty?According to what rants? When have I ever said that about the Irish, or any other immigrant froup... even the illegals?

Yet another straw man, Dane.

BTW, my heritage is more than half Irish.



Though I'm not too fond of your ongoing shillery and blarney.

154 posted on 03/17/2002 10:59:24 AM PST by Sabertooth
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To: BOBTHENAILER
That's actually the point I want to make---they aren't monolithic and just because some family who came around 1910, or some Cuban family votes Conservative doesn't mean that the recent amnestied who came illegally and are living in the projects will vote Conservative. We aren't exactly screening illegals to make sure they have an understanding of what's in the US Constitution. It's important to look at some of the statistics in the border counties ---where many of the recent arrivals are living (not in some Plano suburb) and see the very high unemployment and low education level rates. These just are not natural Republican types. (Although the 2 Hispanic doctors I use for my family might be).
155 posted on 03/17/2002 10:59:56 AM PST by FITZ
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To: Dane
Corned Beef and Cabbage

Mmmmm, thanks for the reminder. Time for a snack.

156 posted on 03/17/2002 11:01:14 AM PST by Diddle E. Squat
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To: 4Freedom; all
Excuse me fore jumping in here off topic, but I could use a little help..I'm trying to find a list of the Senate races for 2004....that's 2004, NOT 2002.....who's up for reelection then...........Thanks in advance..
157 posted on 03/17/2002 11:01:35 AM PST by ken5050
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To: Bob J
It's funny to me when people scream about the comparatively small amount of crime committed by illegals when we have rampant theft, rape and murder committed by our own citizens.

Is it funny that 25% of the inmates in Calif. jails are Mexican Immigrants? Love Mexican or hate them, that stat speaks volumes.

158 posted on 03/17/2002 11:02:06 AM PST by Love America or move to ......
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To: Bill Davis FR
Nice to see you post. I miss you old friend.
159 posted on 03/17/2002 11:02:27 AM PST by Pete53
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To: Bob J
Bob, I just looked at your home page and realized that you are almost a neighbor of mine. Have you ever tried to get Jane Harman or Barbara Boxer to listen to your complaints? It's a lesson in futility, yet they get elected, probably by name recognition alone, even though they don't listen to their constituents.
160 posted on 03/17/2002 11:03:04 AM PST by janetgreen
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