[weikel]

The shroud is a fake there were tons of hustlers selling fake religious relics in the 14th century.

[jboot]

Indeed they were selling fakes, but most if not all were obviously bogus and shoddy. The shroud is neither of these things. Until a method by which it could have been made is revealed, it is premature to dismiss it as a fake.

[j.havenfarm]

Your argument is powerful and trenchant. You heard the man, folks. Move along, now. Nothing to see here. Go buy something.

[RightOnline]

"The shroud is a fake there were tons of hustlers selling fake religious relics in the 14th century."

Wrong, my friend. It is NOT a fake. The leader of that 1978 expedition..........and still president of the Shroud of Turin Foundation, is Dr. Tom D'Muhala........who also happens to be a good friend and attends my church here in Raleigh, NC. He's a BRILLIANT scientist (physicist), and, in fact, will be giving another public presentation on the Shroud on March 27th here in Raleigh (he does these about once every year or so). It's fascinating stuff. In the past, I have posted threads on his presentations, sent videos of it to many, many FReepers around the country, etc. I will not attempt to duplicate all of that information in this reply. Suffice it to say that Tom knows what he's talking about, I know what I'm talking about, and you're dealing from extremely limited information (not a crime, mind you, but not the best of positions from which to cry "fraud", either).

[Stand Watch Listen]

The shroud is a fake there were tons of hustlers selling fake religious relics in the 14th century.

Yet, although we abound in 21st century technology, we cannot duplicate this shroud.

[LandofLincoln]

I am not a doubting Thomas. The shroud will stand as the burial cloth of Jesus Christ until a time when someone can prove otherwise. We cannot duplicate the shroud today. Does anyone believe that someone in the 1300's could make something that we today cannot do, and that that fact in and of itself makes the cloth a fake. Well, if that is true I want to be the first to say that the pyramids in egypt are fakes.

[StAthanasiustheGreat]

You are wrong. The Shroud of Turin contains so many minute details that would not have been known to any forger. Any picture of the crucifixtion from the 14th century, and Jesus was crucified through the hands, but we now know, that that would be impossible, the marks on the Shroud of Turin are through the wrists. Pollen was found on the Shroud of Turin that can only be found in Galilee and the surronding area. Over the eyes are two coins, Roman coins, a forger of the 14th century would not have known that peculiarity of burial customs, much less picked two Roman coins of the correct time period. All the evidence of the Shroud point to it being real and genuine, those who seek to disprove that again and again are merely those who have a personal war against Christianity itself.

God Bless

[Caipirabob]

I understand that most of the non-Christians on the research team converted to Christianity following the analysis of the Shroud. Does anyone have more information on this?