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15 girls die as zealots 'drive them into blaze' [Saudi Arabia]
The Telegraph (UK) ^ | 03/15/2002

Posted on 03/14/2002 4:41:08 PM PST by dighton

SAUDI Arabia's religious police are reported to have forced schoolgirls back into a blazing building because they were not wearing Islamic headscarves and black robes.

Saudi newspapers said scuffles broke out between firemen and members of the Commission for the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice who tried to keep the girls inside a burning school in Mecca.

Fifteen girls were killed as they stampeded to escape from the blazing building in the Muslim holy city. Saudi media and families of the victims have been angry over the deaths of the girls in the fire that gutted the school.

The resulting public criticism of the religious police, or mutaween, is highly unusual.

The English-language Saudi Gazette, in a front-page report yesterday quoted witnesses as saying that members of the religious police stopped men who tried to help the girls escape from the building, saying: "It is sinful to approach them."

A civil defence officer told an Arabic-language newspaper, al-Eqtisadiah, that he saw three members of the religious police "beating young girls to prevent them from leaving the school because they were not wearing the abaya".

He added: "We told them that the situation was very critical and did not allow for such behaviour. But they shouted at us and refused to move away from the gates."

The father of one of the dead girls alleged that the school watchman refused to open the gate to let the girls out.

"Lives could have been saved had they not been stopped by members of the Commission for Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice," the Saudi Gazette said.

The much-feared mutaween roam the streets of the conservative kingdom wielding sticks to enforce dress codes and sex segregation and to ensure that Islamic prayers are performed on time.

Those who refuse to obey the orders of the religious police are usually beaten and sometimes jailed.

© Copyright of Telegraph Group Limited 2002.


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To: dighton
SAUDI Arabia's religious police are reported to have forced schoolgirls back into a blazing building because they were not wearing Islamic headscarves and black robes

Add them as the 8th country on the nuclear list.

101 posted on 03/14/2002 8:16:38 PM PST by Centurion2000
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To: dighton;Yehuda
Official Saudi Version:

Riyadh, 12th March 2002

The General Presidency of Girls Education said here on Monday that 14 students were killed and 50 injured in a girls school in Makkah following a panic escape attempt after they heard there was a fire in the school.

A statement of the Presidency said that no one died in the fire but the girls rushed to the school gate to escape through the stairway and the victims were trampled to death in the stampede.

The statement pointed out that a fire broke out at about 8 a.m. in the morning in the upper ceiling of stairway of the 31st Intermediate School. The civil defense controlled the fire at its source and prevented it from spreading to classes or other parts of the school.

It explained that the girls rushed to the gate of the school immediately after they had heard about the fire.

Prince Abdulmajeed bin Abdul Aziz, the Governor of Makkah region, visited the school and the injured in the hospital. The Governor ordered formation of a committee to investigate the reasons behind the accident.

The President of the Girls Education, Dr. Ali bin Murshed Al-Murshed also visited the school and the injured.

The General Presidency of Girls Education expressed its grief over the accident, the statement said.

Source: SPA


102 posted on 03/14/2002 8:30:05 PM PST by Nix 2
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To: WindRiverShoshoni
Bull!! The English-Language Saudi Gazette and the Arabic and English Versions of Arab News are published in Kingdom. I had them delivered to my office in Al-Khobar for over five years. What are you talking about? Unlike the Herald Tribune, these papers were never censored (The Tribune would have cut sections and marked-out articles falling all over the floor when you picked it up) and pretty much reflected the party line. You are new here since December and you seem almost apoplectic in you hatred of "Joos" and defense of Arabic/Islamic fanatacism. What is your story? Are you a Saudi Student?

This is the second time I've busted you for promoting disinformation on FR.

Why the total BS?
103 posted on 03/14/2002 9:30:19 PM PST by PA Engineer
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To: KJMorgan
ABI Anything but Islam.
104 posted on 03/14/2002 9:52:37 PM PST by weikel
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To: WindRiverShoshoni
Patria?
105 posted on 03/14/2002 9:55:21 PM PST by weikel
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To: dighton
These people are scum
107 posted on 03/14/2002 10:27:54 PM PST by Michael2001
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To: Michael2001;PA Engineer;PissedOffJanitor
And then there's this from Middle East Online:

Saudi religious police 'prevents' rescue of girls from death school

Al-Iqtissadiya quotes civil defence guards are blocked from entering school to aid girls, it would infringe on policy of separation of sexes.

By Suleiman Nimr - RIYADH

Saudi Arabia's religious police stood accused Thursday of preventing the rescue of 14 girls who died in a stampede because an effort to save them would have meant men entering a girls' school or girls leaving without wearing a veil.

Al-Iqtissadiya newspaper quoted witnesses saying the religious police, or "mutawa", who enforces a strict Islamic moral code in the kingdom, "prevented" the girls aged from 13-17 from getting out of the school because they were not wearing the obligatory head veil.

At the same time, civil defence guards were blocked from entering the school to aid the girls because it would have infringed on the policy of separation of the sexes, the daily said.

It demanded "the departure" of the head of female education in Saudi Arabia, Ali Al-Morshed for failing "to apply security rules" in the school of 700 students.

In a letter to Crown Prince Abdullah bin Abdul Aziz published in Okaz newspaper, Saudi writer Abdel Aziz Al-Sowaigh said "the mentality and sterile methods practiced by the department of female education is behind the tragedy."

Police announced that 14 girls were trampled to death and 50 more hurt in the stampede after a fire broke out in the school at Mecca on Monday.

Witnesses reported that the students could not get out of the school as the key to the main gate was kept by a caretaker who was not on the compound at the time.

Girls schools are strictly guarded in Saudi Arabia to prevent men from entering or pupils from leaving without authorisation.

Al-Iqtissadiya quoted a civil defence report as saying "people claiming to be in the religious police ... hampered rescue efforts and prevented the evacuation of students."

However, Civil Defence chief General Saad Al-Towaijri told the daily that his men "faced up to the situation without any hindrance from anyone."

Newspaper quoted civil defence officers, students and witnesses saying a fight erupted at the entrance to the school between police and people who said they were part of the religious police.

One officer said girls without veils had been prevented from "fleeing".

A schoolgirl told the Mecca newspaper Al-Nadwa that "members of the religious police prevented firemen from entering the school," to put out the flames.

"No one died of the fire. The girls rushed to the gate to escape and the victims were trampled to death," a security official said.

Allin da name of Allah. As the Church Lady might wonder...could Allah be....Satan?

108 posted on 03/14/2002 11:05:04 PM PST by Nix 2
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To: Michael2001;PA Engineer;PissedOffJanitor
And then there's this from Middle East Online:

Saudi religious police 'prevents' rescue of girls from death school

Al-Iqtissadiya quotes civil defence guards are blocked from entering school to aid girls, it would infringe on policy of separation of sexes.

By Suleiman Nimr - RIYADH

Saudi Arabia's religious police stood accused Thursday of preventing the rescue of 14 girls who died in a stampede because an effort to save them would have meant men entering a girls' school or girls leaving without wearing a veil.

Al-Iqtissadiya newspaper quoted witnesses saying the religious police, or "mutawa", who enforces a strict Islamic moral code in the kingdom, "prevented" the girls aged from 13-17 from getting out of the school because they were not wearing the obligatory head veil.

At the same time, civil defence guards were blocked from entering the school to aid the girls because it would have infringed on the policy of separation of the sexes, the daily said.

It demanded "the departure" of the head of female education in Saudi Arabia, Ali Al-Morshed for failing "to apply security rules" in the school of 700 students.

In a letter to Crown Prince Abdullah bin Abdul Aziz published in Okaz newspaper, Saudi writer Abdel Aziz Al-Sowaigh said "the mentality and sterile methods practiced by the department of female education is behind the tragedy."

Police announced that 14 girls were trampled to death and 50 more hurt in the stampede after a fire broke out in the school at Mecca on Monday.

Witnesses reported that the students could not get out of the school as the key to the main gate was kept by a caretaker who was not on the compound at the time.

Girls schools are strictly guarded in Saudi Arabia to prevent men from entering or pupils from leaving without authorisation.

Al-Iqtissadiya quoted a civil defence report as saying "people claiming to be in the religious police ... hampered rescue efforts and prevented the evacuation of students."

However, Civil Defence chief General Saad Al-Towaijri told the daily that his men "faced up to the situation without any hindrance from anyone."

Newspaper quoted civil defence officers, students and witnesses saying a fight erupted at the entrance to the school between police and people who said they were part of the religious police.

One officer said girls without veils had been prevented from "fleeing".

A schoolgirl told the Mecca newspaper Al-Nadwa that "members of the religious police prevented firemen from entering the school," to put out the flames.

"No one died of the fire. The girls rushed to the gate to escape and the victims were trampled to death," a security official said.

Allin da name of Allah. As the Church Lady might wonder...could Allah be....Satan?

109 posted on 03/14/2002 11:08:09 PM PST by Nix 2
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To: dighton
This has to be some kind of hoax/myth???

Otherwise it's time to kill the bastards who promote this kind of "religion". I'm all done being tolerant.

111 posted on 03/15/2002 4:30:21 AM PST by wcbtinman
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To: the_Watchman
"If you take God-given rights out of the equation then government statists rush in to fill the void. No one is safe whose rights come from the government."

You appear to be one of the few who understand the basic danger of government, no matter who is running it.

Carolyn

112 posted on 03/15/2002 4:34:57 AM PST by CDHart
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To: willyone
Why would the Jews keep herds of pigs since they cannot eat pork.

They cannot, themselves, EAT pork, BUT they can SELL the pork to neighboring non-Jews (eg, in Jesus time, to the Roman soldiers)

113 posted on 03/15/2002 4:51:11 AM PST by SauronOfMordor
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To: xm177e2
These were not Jews. These were the Gadradenes, a people inhabiting lands adjacent to areas where the Jews lived in Palestine.
115 posted on 03/15/2002 5:11:22 AM PST by A_Thinker
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To: A_Thinker
I never meant they were Jewish-owned pigs, I just meant he was causing trouble everywhere he went.
116 posted on 03/15/2002 5:14:04 AM PST by xm177e2
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To: dighton
I'm still not clear from the reporting and eyewitness testimony provided as to what happened or who was guilty.

First it appears the girls were killed in a fire, then it appears they were killed by a stampede, then it appears they were being beaten, then it seems they were locked in a gated compound and burned to death.

If they were killed by the fire, then why weren't the guards restaining them also burnt? If there was a stampede, surely no need existed to beat the girls if the guards wanted to witness their deaths. It's difficult for me to understand the report.

117 posted on 03/15/2002 5:26:15 AM PST by Cvengr
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To: WindRiverShoshoni
So what do I tell my correspondent who asks "Why are people on Free Republic interested in fires in schools?"

If YOU can't see what's interesting about it, that's YOUR problem. Go squirt ink someplace else.

118 posted on 03/15/2002 5:28:32 AM PST by dighton
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To: WindRiverShoshoni
So what do I tell my correspondent who asks "Why are people on Free Republic interested in fires in schools?"

Tell them there is a lady who wants to make a documentary on Moslem victims.

119 posted on 03/15/2002 5:32:06 AM PST by a_witness
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To: dighton
Yikes. Locked doors, gates, no firefighting equipment. Those poor girls. The horror for them and the parents.
120 posted on 03/15/2002 5:37:58 AM PST by csvset
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