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Immigration Amnesty Passes House
Fox News ^ | 03/13/02

Posted on 03/13/2002 3:24:46 AM PST by Enemy Of The State

Edited on 04/22/2004 12:32:49 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

House Minority Leader Dick Gephardt said he would support the bill with the border security provisions.

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To: East Bay Patriot
Suffice to say, buses - lots of buses - lots of agents - massive round-ups and deportation.

Mind explaining your criteria for "massive round-ups," so as to not violate the 4th Amendment?

Big wall. From San Diego to the Rio Grande - watch towers - military mans it.

(If the Chinese could build one 3,000 years ago, we can do it today, so I don't want to hear it).

China was ruled by a despotic government 3,000 years ago, and what the Emperor wanted, the Emperor got, no arguments accepted. The US is not in a similar condition. The wall may be physically achievable, but it is not fiscally achievable.

And the Great Wall ultimately failed in its mission.

281 posted on 03/13/2002 11:54:38 AM PST by Poohbah
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To: fivecatsandadog
All this proposal will do is white-wash the fact that the INS can't handle the job before them, and buy time for them to get caught up...

This won't buy any time. This will only cause more work and bog down the already dysfunctional system.

On top of INS's current workload, Congress just added 250,000+ applications.

283 posted on 03/13/2002 12:03:10 PM PST by Marine Inspector
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To: WRhine
How did America ever survive and thrive before the MEXICAN INVASION? Who did this work before?

The Mexicans did.

The "MEXICAN INVASION" didn't start until the liberals, pushed on by the AFL-CIO, closed down the bracero program that allowed Mexican nationals to legally enter the country and work on a seasonal basis.

284 posted on 03/13/2002 12:04:04 PM PST by Poohbah
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To: poet
Jorge Bush also delivers his Saturday morning radio addresses in Espanol... By the way, I noticed that one of my posts was deleted by the moderator. It wasn't politically correct.
286 posted on 03/13/2002 12:08:05 PM PST by majordivit
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To: East Bay Patriot
WOO HOO!

The moderators are out of control on this thread today!

File a complaint with Mr. Robinson if the moderators are really "out of control."

They're censoring and sanitizing this thread like nobody's business!

Maybe some folks should lay off the naughty language.

How many yanked posts so far?

Lots.

Man this place has gone so PC and so downhill. I know it's a cyclical complaint but it really has. This is just absurd...

Believe it or not, it is possible to discuss immigration policy without using various and sundry ethnic epithets. Maybe you should learn how to do it.

Anybody know if "FreeConservatives" Forum is as bad as far as the PC scrubbing of the threads contents?

Nope. Why not go over there and find out? If they do let you post that stuff, feel free to leave FR.

287 posted on 03/13/2002 12:11:18 PM PST by Poohbah
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To: East Bay Patriot
I am in complete agreement. Great post.

MI

288 posted on 03/13/2002 12:18:41 PM PST by Marine Inspector
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To: East Bay Patriot
Oh, and what "stuff" might you be referring to?

Personal attacks against FReepers you disagree with. Racial epithets. THAT sort of "stuff."

I speak my mind.

So did John Forbes Nash, Jr. "Speaking one's mind" does not automatically validate whatever is said.

291 posted on 03/13/2002 12:31:29 PM PST by Poohbah
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To: hobbes1
>Instead of making half assed commentary, a little research
>would be helpful. There is nothing whatsoever in this bill
>that addresses the existing INS backlog.

Yes, there is. By decreasing the level of scrutiny on those that are here, and getting them legal, QUICKLY, the going forward provisions of the bill (Which is really he important part....) can be implemented.

No, not really. According to remarks from Tom Tancredo on the House floor yesterday, all the "going forward provisions" of the bill had already passed the House, so the action yesterday actually did nothing for the important parts of the bill -- they were already passed. These provisions were just repackaged/linked with the 245(i) legislation and passed again (in an attempt to fool people?). Note the lead "House Again Passes Border and Visa Security Legislation" as well as the line in the story: "These protections, already passed by the House without opposition on December 19, 2001, have been held up by Democratic opposition in the Senate." I don't know if having the 245(i) component makes the package more palatable to the Senate, because I don't what Democratic opposition there has been to it in the Senate. The INS may well have to expend considerably more resources dealing with the 245(i) provisions which would prevent them from going forward on other things and, as always, any type of amnesty sends the message that illegal immigration is really okay, accepted, and tolerated. So, we will probably have more illegals in the future to to scrutinize, not fewer. I heard an immigration lawyer being interviewed say that some in the "immigrant community" think that this is a blanket amnesty and if that rumor, although false, spreads how many will try to get in here to take advantage of it?

292 posted on 03/13/2002 12:34:07 PM PST by bam
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To: bam; Poohbah
So, the House leadership and the White House have finally learned the lesson of the parable of the old bull and the young bull, and are patiently trying again, and putting a carrot on.

Patience is key here. The Dems will tangle themselves up in lies, and we'll be able to say we tried to work it out when we hammer them.

293 posted on 03/13/2002 12:37:36 PM PST by hchutch
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To: Magnum44
I think all these 'conservatives' whining they will never vote for Bush again are either being led around by the media bias and not educating themselves on what the bill really does, or they are not really conservatives, but lib plants looking for something to criticize Bush for in order to make it appear Bush is too 'left' for conservatives.

I agree...since when is paying a $1000 fine for breaking the immigration law considered amnesty? Do these same people consider it amnesty when they pay a speeding fine? Do these same people consider speeders criminals even after they have paid their fine? Everyone is going off half cocked and they haven't even bothered to read the bill.

295 posted on 03/13/2002 12:46:10 PM PST by ravingnutter
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To: FITZ
Proof? We don need no proof! We don need no stinkin proof! After all we stole this country from them and now they are going to take it back. I hope we all get to enjoy the coming turmoil. I always wondered what it was like to live in a country where armed strife and insurrection were the norm. Guess I will get to find out. Thank you Bush and Democrat Congress. The sick part is that the Mexicans will not even vote for him but give the Dems the credit. Too funny.
296 posted on 03/13/2002 12:46:29 PM PST by willyone
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To: Dane
I very much enjoy inviting people over to my house. I do not enjoy arriving home and finding people who have broken in sitting around watching TV and otherwise helping themselves to what is mine. If you can't tell the difference between legal and illegal immigration then you are the one with a problem. You must be another one of the losers in society who get even by taking from others.
297 posted on 03/13/2002 12:52:29 PM PST by willyone
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To: East Bay Patriot
I notice you are no longer among us. What Hollywood pop culture quote comeback do you have for that?
298 posted on 03/13/2002 1:04:06 PM PST by Magnum44
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To: Magnum44
Maybe he should just call the DJ and request "Nowhere Man" by the Beatles...
299 posted on 03/13/2002 1:09:12 PM PST by Poohbah
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To: D Joyce
Well Top, I have to admit Mike Bilirakis is only a C+ in the NRA's rankings. I'm working on him as far as that's concerned. However, he's an A+ on veterans' issues (you might want to check out his record there). I've spoken with him personally about the criminal Shays-Mehan bill, which he opposed, but haven't looked at his record on eco-nuttiness, etc. Like I said, I'm new in this district, but he's done well thus far. Thanks for your service, First Sergeant.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

300 posted on 03/13/2002 1:09:49 PM PST by wku man
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