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Team picks white man mascot to make point
Greeley Tribune ^ | 10 Mar 02 | Julio Ochoa

Posted on 03/10/2002 7:27:34 AM PST by real saxophonist

Team picks white man mascot to make point

 Story By Julio Ochoa

An intramural basketball team at the University of Northern Colorado called "The Fighting Whities" is turning the tables on the Eaton mascot issue.

Led by Solomon Little Owl, director of Native American Student Services at UNC, the team chose a white man as its mascot to raise awareness and understanding of stereotypes that some cultures endure.

"The message is, let's do something that will let people see the other side of what it's like to be a mascot," Little Owl said. "I am really offended by this mascot issue, and I hope the people that support the Eaton mascot will get offended by this."

The players, made up of a mixture of American Indian, Hispanic and caucasian students, wear white jerseys with the picture of a white man in a suit on the front and the slogan "Every thang's gonna be all white!" printed beneath.

"It's not meant to be vicious, it is meant to be humorous," said Ray White, a Mohawk American Indian on the team. "It puts people in our shoes, and then we can say, 'Now you know how it is, and now you can make a judgement.' "

Judging right or wrong is hard when you don't understand how it feels to be stereotyped, White said.

"We are looking for understanding," he said. "We want change, but you can't force change."

American Indians could go through the general assembly or town meetings to try to change mascots, but the same message might not get through, White said.

"We all live in the same community and want the same things, so it is good to be standing in each other's shoes for a while," he said.

Charles Cuny, an Ogalala Lakota and member of the team, said he went to an American Indian Catholic high school with a mascot called the Red Cloud Crusaders, after a famous chief of the Lakota Indians.

The problem with Eaton's mascot is a matter of respect, he said.

"There are certain words that are accepted and certain words that are unacceptable," Cuny said. "Really a mascot is something that you look up to, and on one hand that is nice, but maybe we could go about it another way."

Having a white mascot is a way to make people more aware of American Indian issues, he said.

"We live in a politically correct society, and sometimes indians get overlooked," he said. "There are so few indians who have clout that there are a lot of things that go unsettled."


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To: OKSooner; VOA
I will second that -- return the mascot to OU! What do you guys think of the weekend (except for NCAA committe men's committee who seemed to forget we beat Maryland and Kansas)? OU won the OU Women's Basketball Big 12 Tournament, OU Wrestler's won the Big 12 Wrestling Tournament, and our Men's Basketball won the Big 12 Men's Basketball Tournament! Great weekend to be a Sooner!
321 posted on 03/11/2002 6:25:30 AM PST by PhiKapMom
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To: PhiKapMom
It's enough to make me want to dress up like Little Red, put on some music and do a war dance myself!

But I can't dance...

322 posted on 03/11/2002 6:27:50 AM PST by OKSooner
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To: real saxophonist
And that point is ? They need a WHITE mascot to win? They apparently weren't doing too well on their own.
323 posted on 03/11/2002 6:47:16 AM PST by mountainfolk
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To: real saxophonist
Don't you know that if all mascots across the country were named after a white person of some kind that all the minorities would be shouting racism because there WEREN'T any minority mascot - GEEESH.
325 posted on 03/11/2002 7:01:59 AM PST by Is2C
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Xavier Musketeers
326 posted on 03/11/2002 7:11:14 AM PST by EddieB
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To: OKSooner
LOL!!! I know the feeling!
327 posted on 03/11/2002 7:30:01 AM PST by PhiKapMom
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University intramural team calls itself 'Fighting Whities' to mock Indian mascot
328 posted on 03/11/2002 11:57:11 AM PST by real saxophonist
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To: daler
The Super Bowl losses would be acceptable, but hiring NWA is a disgrace.
329 posted on 03/11/2002 1:19:47 PM PST by Donaldpaul
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To: Nakota
On the subject of mascots and nicknames: I demand that the sportswriters and announcers use proper English in referring to the teams. In the case of Razorbacks, the girls' basketball team shall not be called Lady Razorbacks. All the Bulldogs, Huskies, Malamutes, Dachsunds, etc. shall henceforth drop Lady whatever and be referred to properly.
330 posted on 03/11/2002 1:30:46 PM PST by Donaldpaul
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To: real saxophonist
I think I just found a new team to root for!!

I've never bought all this crap that all the Native Americans (by the way, all my "Native American" friends in college referred to themselves as Indians) were all so outraged by all this. The college I attended in the early 80's had quite a large Indian representation in the student body due not only to its proximity to several reservations, but also due to the fact that if you could show that you were at least one-quarter "Native American" you could attend without having to pay tuition.

My "Native American" friends were all too busy studying and trying to earn a degree to worry about the PC crap. They thought it was mostly started by some dumb white kids with too much of mommy and daddy's money and too much time on their hands.

Perhaps the climate has changed there over the years. I haven't set foot on campus in quite some time, but I believe this whole issue over a team mascot being offensive has been blown way out of proportion.

331 posted on 03/11/2002 3:10:20 PM PST by Pablo64
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To: LJLucido
I am for starting a team called the "Horny Honkeys". Why not? I am one.
332 posted on 03/11/2002 3:45:27 PM PST by cpressroll
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To: real saxophonist
"Fighting Whities" is fine with me.
333 posted on 03/11/2002 6:26:27 PM PST by mcenedo
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To: real saxophonist
My brother's intramural team back in high school (mid '70's) was composed of both Blacks and Whites. Their name was the "Afro-Whities".

For those who don't get the humor, it was a play off the name Aphrodite!

334 posted on 03/11/2002 6:38:16 PM PST by Cowboy Bob
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To: uncbob
What about the Purdue Boilermakers? Or how could we so soon forget the New England Patriots? Aren't we always hearing about how the Founding Fathers are nothing but a bunch of dead WHITE guys?

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

335 posted on 03/11/2002 6:45:57 PM PST by wku man
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To: Cowboy Bob
So long as they weren't "Herm-Afro-Whities" - play on hermaphrodites!
336 posted on 03/12/2002 8:36:57 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest
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To: Pablo64
The pc crowd had a fit last fall when the Universit of North Dakota refused to change the name of their "Fighting Sioux" mascot to something deemed more correct. It seemed that a donor of $100 million for a new hockey arena and UND (donor was a former goalie who made good) liked the "Fighting Sioux" monkier and said if UND changed it the $100 million would disappear. They are still the "Fighting Sioux" in Grand Forks, ND.
337 posted on 03/12/2002 9:43:12 AM PST by Nakota
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To: Nakota
Kudos to them for standing up.

Unfortunately, the college I attended caved in to the PC crowd a few years after I graduated. They sent a survey to the student body and to alumni asking whether or not the mascot should be changed to something "less offensive" or some such drivel. As I recall, the results of the survey were over 80% in favor of leaving it alone, but they went ahead and changed it anyway. I told the alumni committee at the time that it should be left alone, but if they just couldn't see their way to that, then maybe they should choose an amoeba or an eel as the school mascot...something without a spine! Never heard anything back from them.

I have not and will not donate anything to the alumni association, and I am glad that both my wife and I graduated under the old mascot.

338 posted on 03/12/2002 10:04:54 AM PST by Pablo64
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To: sirchtruth
All people in this country of whatever color can be patriots, non whites included. I saw this on crossfire yesterday and it was too darn funny. But what about all the groups without sports teams named after them. This is discrimination :).
339 posted on 03/12/2002 10:23:19 AM PST by Classicaliberalconservative
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To: real saxophonist
What a great name, I wish them good luck. Are the Caucasions on their schedule? I hear they're the team to beat.
340 posted on 03/12/2002 10:28:12 AM PST by 1Old Pro
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