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1 posted on 03/10/2002 2:21:18 AM PST by Jakarta ex-pat
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Sorry, but I am familiar with South Africa. It was a dictatorship. There was no "freedom of speech" if you opposed the government, and if you were the wrong color, you couldn't vote even if you had a Ph.D. They encourated "hereditary chiefs" to run the tribal areas: Uneducated men who essentially were toadys for the government. They insisted that people who lived in cities for generations weren't citizens, but were "visitors" from tribal areas, and who were governed by tribal laws (where women, for example, had few rights).

By insisting the workers were "visitors" the young men left their wives and children home, and lived in slums. Young men without family ties led to crime, rape, murder, and of course, HIV epidemic. But since you had to leave the cities when you retired or got sick (you were a visitor, remember?) you went home and gave the HIV to your wives and children before you died.

They could do a heart transplant in JoBurg, but in tribal areas, kids died of diarrhea and kwashiorkor. The tribal farms deteriorated, since the women were farmers, and used traditional methods based on slash and burn, but now there was no place to move and slash and burn to get new fields when the land was exhausted, so the result was ruined land.

Finally, if you were white, even if you were stupid, you could get a well paying job. A "kaffir" would be displaced by a white man wanting his job, and of course, a "kaffir" got one fifth the wages of a white man.

The good news is that whites could live in luxury in their enclaves and ignore the nearby slums.

No, I don't like South Africa today. But don't make it out as a perfect land back then. Like "Gone with the Wind" the perfect land is a myth.

2 posted on 03/10/2002 2:38:01 AM PST by LadyDoc
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I'm wondering why the white south africans didn't separate and form a new country of their own made out of part of south africa. They could still do it now.
3 posted on 03/10/2002 3:23:57 AM PST by glockmeister40
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Chilling observations -- and will happen -- is happening. Not to excuse either the US or SA of our sins, but after all "we are but men" -- but changes to "our" societies' determent has, is and will continue, sooner than later. Buchanan’s latest writings suggest a similar “ending”. Wise money bets on the inevitable.

Evolution continues?

5 posted on 03/10/2002 4:04:12 AM PST by RAY
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I believe this was posted several months ago, there was a fairly lengthy discussion regarding it. If your interested in reading the comments the link is here
9 posted on 03/10/2002 4:21:15 AM PST by cascademountaineer
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BUMP for later reading.
10 posted on 03/10/2002 4:23:49 AM PST by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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People used to say that South Africa was 20 years behind the rest of the Western world. Television, for example, came late to South Africa (but so did pornography and the gay rights movement).

And, uh, don't forget the CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT. White supremacists are not the saviours of South Africa/Zimbabwe, they're partially TO BLAME for its current condition. If they had given blacks equal rights, maybe they could have lived peacefully together. Instead, their repression gave communists a chance to take over (and the people of South Africa are incredibly LUCKY to have a leader like Mbeki, who's not a communist, even though he has plenty of faults)

12 posted on 03/10/2002 4:28:01 AM PST by xm177e2
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I dont think you would be able to see the truth in the differences between S.A. and U.S.A. if you were slapped in the face with it.
15 posted on 03/10/2002 4:34:41 AM PST by mcook4
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. But what will happen when your future majority refuses to abide by court rulings

We are the current and future majority. America assimilates, not separates. Whites never were a majority in SA. It always had a foundation of sand.

16 posted on 03/10/2002 4:38:04 AM PST by AppyPappy
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OK, I'll fess up. I didn't read the whole article (nor the earlier, linked post), so I am not positive this wasn't mentioned, but the one thing that stands out for me is that the US has a tradition called the second amendment. I think that that makes a small difference. At the moment we are armed. One day we will have the will to use them.
24 posted on 03/10/2002 4:43:08 AM PST by T. P. Pole
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bump for later reading
25 posted on 03/10/2002 4:43:18 AM PST by MarMema
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Excellent post! I have felt this way for a long time and have sensed what has happened to South Africa could happen in our country to an extent. Here, people are afraid to "rock the boat" or stand up for what they believe. I work with some of these "panty wastes" and as long as they have it somewhat "cushy" they don't seem to be concerned about anything. A black majority in this country would be one filled with hate -filled "payback" time on their part. There would be no peace and harmony. South African whites were victims before the new government and I get really sickened when I hear of white farmers being murdered and their land taken by these savages. I believe Mandela is a Communist and and a fake.
26 posted on 03/10/2002 4:46:24 AM PST by WyCoKsRepublican
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This warning is right on the mark. Do not give up what you created to people who are unfit to rule because it is the PC thing. Democracy fails when it succumbs to the tyranny of unfit to rule minorities or majorities. History shows, in many cases how smaller "primitive" cultures have invaded larger "more civilized" cultures who have lost their fighting spirit. But this has led to rebirth and further advances until they too civilized that they lose their fighting spirit in that they do stand for what they originally believed in. However, PC enabled majorities, who were unfit to rule or utilize its rich resources, when rewarded by politicking the fruits of a creative minority , have always destructed, as Africa has shown.
30 posted on 03/10/2002 4:51:44 AM PST by TransOxus
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In another generation, America may well face what Africa is now experiencing -- invasions of private land by the "have-nots;"

In "another generation" my a**. The invasion is already in full force as they come pouring across our southern borders.

31 posted on 03/10/2002 4:53:51 AM PST by varon
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I think the authors comparisons are very legitimate. When the Dutch emigrated to SA half a millenium ago , they did not conquer anyone, as the Spanish in the new world did. Through their hard work and talents they turned a wilderness into a productive land. The bounty thus created attracted peoples lacking the abilities to create such wealth for themselves. In time it became in the famous words of Bavarian leader F J Strauss "a simple matter of mathematics".
37 posted on 03/10/2002 5:09:06 AM PST by nkycincinnatikid
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That is exactly what happened in South Africa. I know, because I was there and I saw it happen

This author is very convincing. Scary stuff.

43 posted on 03/10/2002 5:25:02 AM PST by Republic
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Put together this story with unlimited numbers of illegal immigrees. Many parts of America are already ghetto areas, and know firsthand rioting and general lawlessness.
46 posted on 03/10/2002 5:34:03 AM PST by Don Myers
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Aids will take care of black Africa. They fit the mold of what one of our former Secretarys of Agriculture said, all they want is loose shoes and a tight p....
59 posted on 03/10/2002 7:58:33 AM PST by hgro
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Having just read Buchanan's "Death of the West", I suspect that the warning should be heeded...but won't be.
93 posted on 03/10/2002 7:43:24 PM PST by neutrino
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You won't hear any warnings from White Haitians. All 6-7,000 of them were lynched on a single day. You never hear about it do you? Greatest mass lynching in the Western Hemisphere. That certainly solved their race problem.
96 posted on 03/10/2002 7:57:48 PM PST by Eternal_Bear
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My daughter was invited to go to So. Africa by a classmate. I told her absolutely not, that SA has one of the highest crime rates in the world. Her friend got insulted by this. She told my daughter that it is very safe there, they have armed guards at their home.
109 posted on 03/10/2002 8:39:29 PM PST by diefree
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