Posted on 03/10/2002 2:21:18 AM PST by Jakarta ex-pat
People used to say that South Africa was 20 years behind the rest of the Western world. Television, for example, came late to South Africa (but so did pornography and the gay rights movement).
Today, however, South Africa may be the grim model of the future Western world, for events in America reveals trends chillingly similar to those that destroyed our country.
America's structures are of "Western Culture". Your Congress, your lobbying groups, your free speech, and the way ordinary Americans either get involved or ignore politics are peculiarly your "Western Culture", not the way most of the world operates. But the fact that only about a third of Americans deem it important to vote is horrifying in light of how close you are to losing your Western character.
Writing letters to the press, manning stands at county fairs, hosting fund-raising dinners, attending rallies, setting up conferences, writing your Congressman -- that is what you know, and what you are comfortable with. Those are the political methods you've created for yourselves to keep your country on track and to ensure political accountability,with freedom and justice for all.
But woe to you if -- or more likely, when -- the rules change. Americans may soon find themselves unable or unwilling to stand up to challenge the new political methods that will be the inevitable result of the ethnic metamorphosis now taking place in America. Unable to cope with the new rules of the game -- violence, mob riots, intimidation through accusations of racism, demands for proportionality based on racial numbers, and all the other social and political weapons used by the have-nots to bludgeon treasure and power from the haves -- Americans, like others before them, will no doubt cave in. They will compromise away their independence and ultimately their way of life.
That is exactly what happened in South Africa. I know, because I was there and I saw it happen.
Faced with revolution in the streets, strikes, civil unrest and the sheer terror and murder practiced by Nelson Mandela's African National Congress (ANC), the white government simply capitulated in order to achieve "peace."Westerners need peace. They need order and stability. They are builders and planners. But what we got was peace of the grave for our society.
The Third World is different -- different peoples with different pasts and different cultures. Yet Westerners continue to mistake the psychology of the Third World and its peoples. Sierra Leone and Zimbabwe are perfect examples of those mistakes. Sierra Leone is in perpetual civil war, and Zimbabwe -- once thriving, stable Rhodesia -- is looting the very people who feed the country. Yet Westerners do not admit that the same kind of savagery could come to America when enough immigrants of the right type assert themselves. The fact is, Americans are sitting ducks for Third World exploitation of the Western conscience of compassion.
Those in the West who forced South Africa to surrender to the ANC and its leaders did not consider Africa to be the dangerous, corrupt, and savage place it is now in Zimbabwe and South Africa. Those Western politicians now have a similar problem on their own doorsteps: the demand for power and treasure from the non-Western peoples inside the realm.
It is already too late for South Africa, but not for America if enough people strengthen their spine and take on the race terrorists, the armies of the "politically correct" and, most dangerous of all, the craven politicians who believe "compassionate conservatism" will buy them a few more votes, a few more days of peace.
South Africans, you should remember, have been in that part of Africa for the same amount of time whites have inhabited North America; yet ultimately South Africans voted for their own suicide. We are not so very different from you.
We lost our country through skillful propaganda, pressure from abroad ,Great Britan the UN (not least from the U.S.A.), with unrelenting charges of "oppression" and "racism," and the shrewd assessment by African tyrants that the white man has many Achilles' heels, the most significant of which are his compassion, his belief in the "equality of man," and his "love your neighbor" philosophy -- none of which are part of the Third World's history.
The mainline churches played a big role in the demise of Western influence throughout Africa, too; especially in South Africa. Today's tyrants were yesterday's mission-school proteges. Many dictators in Africa were men of the cloth. They knew their clerical collars would deflect criticism and obsfucate their real aims, which had nothing whatever to do with the "brotherhood of man."
Other tyrants, like the infamous Idi Amin, were trained and schooled by the whites themselves, at Oxford, Cambridge, and Harvard. After receiving the best from the West, they unleashed a resentful bloodlust against their benefactors.
From what I have seen and read thus far, I fear Americans will capitulate just as we did. Americans are, generally, a "compassionate" lot. They don't want to quarrel or obstruct the claims of those who believe they were wronged. They like peace and quiet, and they want to compromise and be nice.
A television program aired in South Africa showed a town meeting in Southern California where people met to complain about falling standards in the schools. Many who politely spoke at the meeting clearly resented the influx of Mexican immigrants into their community. When a handful of Chicanos at the back of the hall shouted and waved their hands at them, the "compassionate" simply shrunk back into their seats rather than tell the noisemakers to shut up. They didn't want to quarrel.
In America, the courts are still the final arbiters of society's laws. But what will happen when your future majority refuses to abide by court rulings -- as in Zimbabwe? What will happen when the courts are filled with their people, or their sympathizers? In California, Proposition 187 has already been overturned.
What will you do when the future nonwhite majority decides to change the names of streets and cities? What will you do when they no longer want to use money that carries the portraits of old, dead white "racists" and slave owners? Will you cave in, like you did on flying the Confederate flag? What about the national anthem? Your official language?
Don't laugh. When the "majority" took over in South Africa, the first targets were our national symbols.
In another generation, America may well face what Africa is now experiencing -- invasions of private land by the "have-nots;" the decline in health care quality; roads and buildings in disrepair; the banishment of your history from the education of the young; the revolutionization of your justice system.
In South Africa today, only 9 percent of murders end up in jail. Court dockets are regularly purchased and simply disappear. Magistrates can be bribed as can the prison authorities, making escapes commonplace. Vehicle and airplane licenses are regularly purchased, and forged school and university certificates are routine.
What would you think of the ritual slaughter of animals in your neighbor's backyard? How do you clean up the blood and entrails that litter your suburban streets? How do you feel about the practice of witchcraft, in which the parts of young girls and boys are needed for "medicinal" purposes? How do you react to the burning of witches?
Don't laugh. All that is quite common in South Africa today.
Don't imagine that government officials caught with their fingers in the till will be punished. Excuses -- like the need to overcome generations of white racism -- will be found to exonerate the guilty.
In fact, known criminals will be voted into office because of a racial solidarity among the majority that doesn't exist among the whites. When Ian Smith of the old Rhodesia tried to stand up to the world, white South African politicians were among the Westerners pressuring him to surrender.
When Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe murders his political opponents, ignores unfavorable court decisions, terrorizes the population and siphons off millions from the state treasury for himself and his friend, South Africa's new President Thabo Mbeki holds his hand and declares his support. That just happened a few weeks ago.
Your tax dollars will go to those who don't earn and don't pay. In South Africa, organizations that used to have access to state funds such as old age homes, the arts, and veterans' services, are simply abandoned.
What will happen is that Western structures in America will be either destroyed from without, or transformed from within, used to suit the goals of the new rulers. And they will reign either through terror, as in Zimbabwe today, or exert other corrupt pressures to obtain, or buy votes. Once power is in the hands of aliens, don't expect loyalty or devotion to principle from those whose jobs are at stake. One of the most surprising and tragic components of the disaster in South Africa is how many previously anti-ANC whites simply moved to the other side.
Once you lose social, cultural, and political dominance, there is no getting it back again.
Unfortunately, your habits and values work against you. You cannot fight terror and street mobs with letters to your Congressmen. You cannot fight accusations of racism with prayer meetings. You cannot appeal to the goodness of your fellow man when the fellow man despises you for your weakness and hacks off the arms and legs of his political opponents.To survive, Americans must never lose the power they now enjoy to people from alien cultures. Above all, don't put yourselves to the test of fighting only when your backs are against the wall. You will probably fail.
Millions around the world want your good life. But make no mistake: They care not for the high-minded ideals of Jefferson and Washington, and your Constitution or Bill of Rights. What they want are your possessions, your power, and your status.
And they already know that their allies among you, the "human rights activists," the skillful lawyers and the left-wing politicians will fight for them, and not for you. They will exploit your compassion and your Christian charity, and your good will.
They have studied you, Mr. and Mrs. America, and they know your weaknesses well.
They know what to do.
Do you?
Thats spelled pretentious by the way. When your done, I suggest you look into a remedial english language class as I didnt know borderline illiterites were allowed to post to FR.
re your Please don't ever reply to me.
The feeling is likewise. Ive heard quite enough boldfaced lies and distortions out of you to last a lifetime.
If you dont think you can handle it in a forum dedicated to politics without having a few disagreements I suggest you pack yourself up and look for other pastures.
Good day to you m'aam.
Your assumption is that your doc is a typical Nigerian.
America became strong because (up until recently) the kind of immigrants we got were from the most intelligent and ambitious of the people in the "old country", and they came to the US because they felt that their talents would be better rewarded here. Now we're also getting people who want to take advantage of the welfare and social service setup. Your doc sounds like she's in the former category
There are also plenty of intelligent and energetic American blacks. Look at Clarence Thomas, Alan Keyes, Thomas Sowell, Walter Williams, etc. They just are too smart to spend their time hanging out on porches in bad neighborhoods
Under the early Common Law, killing a felon in the act was considered "justifiable homicide" and was considered a social good.
As far as cutting welfare is concerned -- yes, if the welfare checks suddenly stopped coming, it would be lock-and-load time for everybody close to an "inner-city". I don't think the rioters would come into well-armed suburban neighborhoods, because they could be pretty sure that people WOULD open fire if necessary to protect their homes and families.
A gradual phase-out of welfare is another story. Welfare Reform theoreticly put a 5-year lifetime cap on welfare. We could shorten that as time goes by, gradually phasing it out entirely
To quote Clintonius Minimus, "That all depends on what the meaning of Romans is."
Originally, the Romans were an Italic people, the Latins, with Latium meaning the area around the Tiber River. The Roman Latins settled the Seven Hills that make up Rome with archeology indicating that the area was settled by 1,000 B.C.
As opposed to the tall, fair, muscular, blue-eyed Celts, the Italics were shorter, slighter, with dark hair and Mediterranean complexions.
Besides the Latins, other tribes of varying ethnicity such as the Sabines, Samnites, Oscans, etc. developed in central and southern Italy. The Latins, however, as the leading military power, absorbed the other central and southern Italian tribes into the Roman system.
However, until the Social War of 91 B.C., non-Latins were not eligible for Roman citizenship. Pompeii, for example, was originally an Oscan city and not a Latin city. Pompeiians, before the Social War, would have been classified as allies (socii) but not Roman citizens. After the Social War, all Italian cities under Roman rule were granted Roman citizenship and could then call themselves "Romans" whether they were Latins or not.
Later during the Empire, Roman citizenship was extended throughout the Empire so that a Greek, a Spaniard, a Gaul, a Briton or a Syrian, etc. could be a "Roman" even though they were not Latins.
Will write about Basques later.
Then you're an evil person.
Sorry for the late response, but I was out of town on business. Your accusation of me being an evil person is both ill-placed and illogical. Much like the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, where no one found the "land" to be valuable hundreds of years ago, when a certain race or breed of people made the land valuable, everyone wanted it only after the physical upgrades were made.
The blacks in Africa had no use for the land (agriculturally), until it was improved upon and life took on a human dignity of sustainable sustanence. Once established (by whites), that the land could become a way of life, the black envy took over. Now, they've kicked out all the Bill Gates' of agriculture, in the name racial equality. I respectfully suggest that if the blacks fail to PRODUCE the food from the lands previously proven to be productive, they've effectively cut off their nose, despite their face.
Someday, the politically correct world of ours will recognize the historical facts that blacks have FAILED in every attempt to be self-sufficient in non-third world life as we know it. I will not espose a theory on why this has been the a historically factual reality, although I have one, but I'd be interested in your refutation of my premise. Respectfully....JRR
You'd honestly laugh when people starve to death?
Aside from my response in post #187, let me expain what might seem to others as being cruel and cold hearted. When people decide that because of the color of ones skin, they are not entitled to their accomplishments/possessions, they take on the burden to prove that booty was illgotten.
Lets look at the oppression of Great Britain, and the creation of the USA as we know it today. People were not satisfied with all sorts of things, from religeous oppression, to taxation. The people decided to revolt, kick out the British and established a country that is far superior to any created in the history of mankind.
In Africa, the third world way of living (hunting & gathering, no real medical establishment, and a total lack of modern initiatives) was a way of life. Once it was established that a better way of life could be had by all, and a system was put in place to mine diamonds and gold efficiently, grow crops, etc. etc. etc., what happened. The entrepeneurs that risked their way of life (whites) reaped the benfits and established "community".
Only after the establishment of such accomplishments, did the "black" community protest that it was being left behind, even though it was the majority. In other words, I should be entitled to share in Bill Gates' wealth, because he created the technology dynasty in the same country that I live in. Its a BS arguement, but lets assume the US sided with my arguement and allowed me to take over the microsoft empire, solely on the basis of geography.
If I ran microsoft into the ground, and lost all of my money in the process, should Bill be concerned over my financial status. I think not. The same applies to the blacks in Africa. Instead of adopting the principles of capitalism, they chose dictatorship. In the process, they were unwilling or unable to sustain the productiveness of the most primitive essentials for life - food. This was their decision, their making, and their undoing. Therefore, its their fault. And the saddest part is that they chose to do so based on the color of ones skin. If quality of life, in their eyes, depended of skin color, they should at least be accountable for their failures of making decisions based on the color of ones skin.
And please don't ask for my hard earned money (taxes) to be sent over there to assist in their racially motivated failures.
When it is self initiated, self propogated, and self-imposed, especially when it is racially motivated, what kind of support did you expect? Is it my fault the blacks in Africa kicked out the "white" farmers, and failed to take over the responsibilities to produce food. Your arguement makes you sound like an idiot. It is the equivilent of a person murdering their parents and then throwing themself on the mercy of the court because they are an orphin. Nuff said.....JRR
Sigh.......
EXACTLY my take all the time...hear THIS America! We are on that slippery slope,...God help us!
>The Roman Latins settled the Seven Hills that make up Rome with archeology indicating that the area was settled by 1,000 B.C.
It strikes me that this seems very LATE in the history of the region. There was so much going on elsewhere in the Med region even a thousand years earlier. Egypt was booming, as was Assyria, Phoenicia, etc. in their times, and they were descrete peoples, and fairly defineable. Wonder what larger population group these early Romans came from?
>Down the center of Italy, through the Umbrian, Sabine, and Samnite country, were other Indo European tribes. All these peoples were blond intruders from the north, and were cousins to the Greeks.
Sounds like Celts, already.
Seems like I read long ago of a legend about their being a large early Exodus from Egypt, long before "the big one". These people supposedly sailed throughout the Med forming colonies, including what became Troy, Greece, Italy, etc., then westward to Spain, etc., but I've never been able to put that all together. Have you heard of that?
The bottom line is that we will either bulkanize or become like SA or Zimbabwe. I really feel bad for my kids and if a country like Australia were to shed its' liberal skin I would pull them out of here in a heart beat. The third world is winning big and there seems to be no view except that the whites and their democratic ideals deserve No Homelands. I always wondered what it would be like to conciously witness one of the great turning points in history and unfortunately tonight I got my wish. As a white person who believes in democracy and never made a cent off the labor of minorities it gives me no pleasure to be among the few who really know this is the GotterDammerung for us!
One of the arguments against allowing Eastern European immigration in the 1920's was that Eastern Europeans (mostly Jewish) were tested as having IQ's in this range. And most of the eugenics arguments about "breeding" poor people was made by English nobility against Irish immigrants in England. And we all know how stupid President Kennedy and President Reagan are. (Reagan's father was Irish Catholic).
And in Africa, many children are brain damaged from malnutrition. We saw a huge increase in academic ability in second generation African students: I.e. whose parents had education and jobs where they could feed children decently. South Africa and Rhodesia did some work in child nutrition, but as a whole, it was not a priority.
I could buy into that if it wasn't for the corresponding long-standing SAT/IQ Black/White gap here in the US. With obesity a highly visible problem in even poor areas, malnutition seems an unlikely cause. Particularly after read the part in "The Bell Curve" where the SAT scores of MIDDLE-CLASS ( $50K+ ) Blacks averaged lower than the SAT scores of poverty-range Whites.
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