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Shooting Sparks Gun Modification
Yahoo News ^ | 7 March 2002 | Staff

Posted on 03/07/2002 8:42:17 AM PST by 45Auto

The Remington Arms Company is offering to modify a bolt lock on some 2.5 million rifles following the accidental shooting death of a 9-year-old boy, the company said Wednesday. The modification is being offered to the owners of all the Remington bolt-action rifles manufactured before 1982.

Remington says the effort was initiated in part as a response to the death of Gus Barber, who was accidentally shot by his mother two years ago as she was unloading her Remington 700 bolt-action rifle. The family, of Manhattan, Mont., said the presence of a bolt-lock mechanism required Barbara Barber to release the safety in order to open the bolt to eject the chambered round.

The trigger was not pulled or even touched, but the rifle immediately fired on safety release, the family said.

"The gun went off. My finger was nowhere near the trigger," Barbara Barber said in an interview last year with CBS. Remington is offering to remove the bolts and clean and inspect the rifles for $20 each. The rifles will be returned with a $20 coupon toward the purchase of Remington products, the company said on its Web site.

A call placed to Remington's headquarters in Madison was not returned Wednesday. In a letter to CBS Evening News, the company said, "The Barber family knows it has our deepest sympathy."


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To: tx4guns
Owned by the latter. We also do lots of R&D.
61 posted on 03/08/2002 2:50:53 AM PST by Falcon4.0
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To: HELLRAISER II
I don't believe for a second that gun went off without either being dropped or her accidentally pulling the trigger. I feel for the parents, but this just doesn't sound right to me. I salute Remington for checking the guns, but I have a Remington 700 and it's a great gun. Even if the gun did go off by itself, she should had the barrel pointing away from her child, preferably at the ground

I own and use three pre-82 Remington 700's and have experienced one incident where a rifle fired when the safety was disengaged. One time in thousands of unloadings. Of course, the gun was pointed in a safe direction so no harm done.

None of my rifles are going back for modification. Apply the safe handling rules and there is no problem. End of story.

62 posted on 03/08/2002 3:35:44 AM PST by toddst
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To: 45Auto
I'll stick with my Winchesters.
63 posted on 03/08/2002 3:41:59 AM PST by Wm Bach
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To: VRWC_Member428
When I saw the Beretta pistols at a gun store, and saw how the de-cock worked, I thought it was madness! I don't care whose pistol I have. The only time I'll de-cock a semi-auto is AFTER I have removed the clip and the chambered round.

In the Ruger P-9* series, with the non-DAO pistols you have no choice but to use the decocker with a round in the chamber. The act of chambering a round cocks the hammer. You then have to decock it. I'm in the habit of holding the hammer with my thumb, then GENTLY letting it down upon operating the decock lever, all the while pointing it at a safe backstop. Russian makarov pistols are the same way.

64 posted on 03/08/2002 5:10:33 AM PST by SauronOfMordor
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To: spectr17
I don't agree with your claims. And Remington is not "recalling" the rifles.
65 posted on 03/08/2002 6:46:59 AM PST by spqrzilla9
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To: Falcon4.0
Ya know, what else bothers me? I was always taught to unload the weapon outside. Before I got to the car and or the cabin. Not when I got home.

I've been an NRA member for only about 1 1/2 years(since the 2000 election debacle),have never owned a gun(save a BB when I was a kid),but I know at least that much.There is no substitute for common sense.

66 posted on 03/08/2002 10:04:13 AM PST by kennyo
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To: spqrzilla9
Okay, it's not a "Recall", Remington is just offering to fix the defective safety after losing in court several times over this issue. Remington had the same opposition to there being a problem as you. When the bodies and court cases started piling up Remington finally got it.
67 posted on 03/08/2002 10:18:02 AM PST by spectr17
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To: spectr17
Okay, it's not a "Recall", Remington is just offering to fix the defective safety after losing in court several times over this issue. Remington had the same opposition to there being a problem as you. When the bodies and court cases started piling up Remington finally got it.

What Remington is offering to "fix" isn't even what you have been claiming is wrong with Remington's in your link.

68 posted on 03/08/2002 11:24:12 AM PST by spqrzilla9
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To: spqrzilla9
If you need help understanding exactly what the issue is you can email Jbelk or Augustis in the link. Jbelk is the gunsmith who has testified in the court cases against Remington. I'm not a gunsmith so I can't go into detail on why the gun has a problem.

By the way, these were court case that Remington LOST when it was proved the gun was defective.

69 posted on 03/08/2002 1:37:21 PM PST by spectr17
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To: spectr17
I do understand what is being claimed on the link. I just don't agree with those opinions.

A jury verdict impresses me even less, given the history of bogus claims accepted by juries.

70 posted on 03/08/2002 1:50:09 PM PST by spqrzilla9
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To: Frohickey
M-U-Z-Z-L-E C-O-N-T-R-O-L.

The kid may have been on the other side of the house, so without knowing the facts it is hard to state that negligence is a factor.

I have a bunch of 700's and have modified them all to remove the bolt lock. The only thing between you and an accidental discharge is 0.030" of sear engagement, and less if sear return is hampered by some crud or congealed grease in cold weather. The Remington safety, being a trigger-blocking safety, is inherently not as safe as a firing pin locking type like a Winchester M70. Unfortunately, M70's are not as accurate a design as the Remington (no flames, please...you never see Winchesters winning benchrest matches, but Remingtons are common). Winchesters feature a middle safety position to allow unloading without disengaging the firing pin lock. Much safer.

71 posted on 03/08/2002 2:16:32 PM PST by Zulu Warrior
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To: 45Auto
10-4; ALL guns are loaded. NEVER let the muzzle cover anything you do not wish to destroy. Keep your finger off the trigger until the sights are on the target. ALLWAYS identify your target and what is behind it. Forever. Doc
72 posted on 03/08/2002 2:44:03 PM PST by Jane G
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To: Zulu Warrior
The kid may have been on the other side of the house, so without knowing the facts it is hard to state that negligence is a factor.

Yep. The kid was on the other side of the trailer, and the mom was unloading the rifle inside. If she controlled the muzzle, and say, pointed it at the ground or floor of the trailer, if it went off, no one would be hurt or killed. If she had unloaded it in the field, aimed at a tree, no one would be hurt or killed (well, maybe a environmentalist might die of shock, but I think they grow on trees... at least they fall from trees). ;)

73 posted on 03/08/2002 4:56:46 PM PST by Frohickey
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To: 45Auto
Gun Muzzle Control = Don't point the firearm in the direction of anyone or anything you don't want to hit.
74 posted on 03/08/2002 5:09:07 PM PST by Jagdgewehr
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To: spqrzilla9
In the end Remington is a profit driven business, not a gun-rights advocate (though admittedly this topic is of interests to them)

Brian

75 posted on 03/12/2002 3:00:00 PM PST by PropheticZero
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To: mamelukesabre
The assumption that guns as a consumer product is in some other category then a radio or a car, in that the owner is responsible for its servicing when not correctly assembled plays right into the gun grabbers hands. If I'm denied the right to buy Food at a store then I'm being discriminated against, but if I'm denied the right to buy a gun its because I'm ignorant of how to fix a malfunctioning firing pin. I don't believe this, but your argument could be semi-reasonably exteneded to include this line of thought.

To another poster I read In the end anyones opinions regarding the level of rugged-survivalist-lone gunsmith-ness a person has is is irrelevant to whether they should be ALLOWED the LUXARY owning a gun. Owning a gun is not a luxury it is a right, and therfore I shouldn't have to be a gunsmith to exercise this right.

Brian

76 posted on 03/12/2002 3:00:41 PM PST by PropheticZero
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To: PropheticZero
In the end Remington is a profit driven business, not a gun-rights advocate (though admittedly this topic is of interests to them)

I fail to see how your comment is responsive to anything I've posted.

77 posted on 03/12/2002 3:05:36 PM PST by spqrzilla9
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To: 45Auto
and their assinine insistence on making guns "fool proof" have lead to EXACTLY the kind of thing

No matter how fool proof you make something, the human race will always generate a greater fool to un-proof it. Case in point...

78 posted on 03/12/2002 5:02:59 PM PST by Jeff Gordon
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To: SauronOfMordor
I've also heard of at least one case where a cop, while holding a suspect at gunpoint with a cocked semi-auto handgun, tried to "safe" his gun by pressing the decocker. The gun went off while pointing at the perp's head. Oops.

IF the cop was putting it on "safe" then he clearly didn't perceive a deadly threat was present. In which case, there is no justification for pointing the gun at the perp. If a civilian did this he would be charged with murder. Was this cop charged?

79 posted on 03/28/2002 1:57:38 PM PST by coloradan
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