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The whole point of ID is that speciation is not natural, just as the whole point of the math proof for this thread is that very large amounts of data can not (mathematically) self-form naturally.

The "proof" for this thread shows that very large amounts of data cannot self-form in one step. It's a huge leap to go from there to saying that it can never self-form. The whole point of evolution is that it is done tiny step by tiny step. Nobody has ever claimed that the first cell simply fell together one day in all its modern complexity.

You are now arguing that because said speciation event was not "natural", that it doesn't count.

No, I'm arguing that because that ability arose in the 20th century, it is unable to explain the speciation that occurred prior to the 20th century. People weren't around when the dinosaurs first appeared, so we could not have created them. If you want to claim that somebody else created them, you have to demonstrate who did it and how. Showing what we do now is neither here nor there.

I'm perfectly happy to state that when human beings effect changes in the genomes of organisms, those specific changes are not themselves evolved. But for every such change you can point to, I can point to a host of others that occurred naturally.

Human beings have put satellites in orbit around the Earth. Does that necessarily mean that therefore some intelligence put the moon in place?

"The "proof" for this thread shows that very large amounts of data cannot self-form in one step. It's a huge leap to go from there to saying that it can never self-form."

Then you didn't correctly follow the math proof. The math is dealing with the sequencing of data. You do NOT sequence data simultaneously (unless you are very intelligent). The monkeys are typing one letter at a time, building their output little by little in billions of miniscule steps.

That's hardly forming anything all in one step...

You are now arguing that because said speciation event was not "natural", that it doesn't count. - Southack

"No, I'm arguing that because that ability arose in the 20th century, it is unable to explain the speciation that occurred prior to the 20th century." -Physicist

OK, this is progress. Now you are implying that the only problem with my example completely refuting for all time the Theory of Evolution is: timing.

Can we now agree that Intelligent Design has been demonstrated and will refute Evolution (and send it packing its bags for the land of scientifically discredited theories) if your timing concern is dealt with adequately?