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Guess who's tracking you by cell phone?
ZDNet News ^ | 2/27/02 | Ben Charny

Posted on 03/01/2002 5:16:24 PM PST by truthandlife

The nation's cell phone service providers will soon know exactly where every one of their customers is, at all times, and privacy rights groups are asking what they plan to do with the information.

All U.S. carriers are under Federal Communications Commission orders to make it possible for police to locate cell phones calling 911, something police can't do now. Carriers plan to use the same systems to sell services like helping stranded motorists even if they don't know their location, or finding the closest restaurant.

Because people with cell phone generally always carry their phone with them, the FCC regulations give the thriving market for personal information something its never had a chance to get: the exact locations at all times of more than 140 million people.

"There are some things you don't mind other people knowing, but your location isn't one of them," said Gary Laden, a privacy program director for BBBOnline, a Better Business Bureau subsidiary.

Private details that become public knowledge every time people visit Web pages and leave information, every address that the U.S. government sells, or every ATM transaction that dutifully records the time are just some of the ways that technology has been tracking individuals. But knowing someone's location at all times adds a significant new twist to tracking information about people.

Sprint is already offering an Enhanced 911 (E911) system in Rhode Island and sells a pair of phones that work on the system. In a year, Verizon Wireless says nearly half of all new handsets activated will have this capability. The FCC expects 95 percent of the cell phones sold in the United States by 2005 will meet the FCC guidelines.

Neither AT&T Wireless nor Verizon Wireless offer any E911 or related services yet. But both say they do not sell the information they already collect from their subscribers, such as a home address used to send a monthly bill. And they don't plan to do anything different with the location information once they do offer those services.

"We already know where you live, but we haven't made that available to anyone," Verizon Wireless representative Nancy Stark said.

Travis Larson, a spokesman for the wireless trade group Cellular Telecommunications and Internet Association said the worry isn't so much the carriers, but the independent companies that provide the commercial services.

"Not all companies in this space will be CTIA members," he said. "Then you have a group of businesses unregulated."

So far, backers of two consumer privacy initiatives say they've begun talks with carriers about what they plan to do with the information they collect.

On Wednesday, AT&T Wireless spokesman Ritch Blasi said the company is the first U.S. carrier to have its privacy policies reviewed and approved by Truste, a coalition that approves online privacy policies, whose sponsors include AT&T Wireless, AOL Time Warner, Intel, Microsoft and others.

Truste and AT&T Wireless are also working together to create a uniform policy for what carriers should do with the information they collect. Blasi and a spokesman for Truste said they want carriers to tell subscribers that their location can be tracked, and what plans, if any, they have for the information.

Also Wednesday, supporters of a recently approved privacy standard known as P3P (Platform for Privacy Preferences) say they've also begun a dialogue with wireless carriers.

Some versions of Microsoft's Internet Explorer use P3P to automate the process of deciding if a Web site's privacy policies are good enough for a user. People can pre-load their Web browsers with preferences, such as whether they want a Web site to accept a browser's cookies filled with personal information. If the browser is directed toward a Web page, it'll seek out the privacy policies and determine if they match the preferred ones. If not, the Web page doesn't load.

Josh Freed, a spokesman for the Internet Education Foundation, said backers of P3P want to offer the same type of function to cell phone customers. "This way, every time there is an exchange of data, the phone alerts you if there is a conflict," he said.

The effort is very new, Freed and others warn, and is preceding even the existing technology.

"We have a blank page in front of us now," said J. Walter Hyer, AT&T Wireless chief privacy officer.


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To: truthandlife
I was part of a project to explore this technology a year and a half ago when this was first planned and one of things that needs to be realized is that this information is real time. Law enforcement agencies can get access to it but no one else can. And even if they could, it is not stored for very long. It can't be. These systems generate a huge amount of data. In order to store this information for a longer time would require the cellular carriers to make huge expenditures in data storage infrastructure hardware and software...with no return on these expenditures.
If, for example you are afraid your employer will find out that you visited an AIDS clinic because your cellphone was in your pocket and powered on at the time...relax. Even if the information was stored somewhere, your employer would need a court order to get to it.
161 posted on 03/02/2002 2:34:15 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts
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To: Travis McGee
Thanks for the intel, Travis.
162 posted on 03/02/2002 3:00:29 PM PST by Joe Brower
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To: Travis McGee
Wonder what kind of a profile my background would pop up on that program ?

BTW pablo was trashed with "analog" technology.........would "digital" provide and greater/lesser hurdles for such low tech lojack of sorts ??

Stay Safe !

163 posted on 03/02/2002 3:27:01 PM PST by Squantos
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To: Don Joe
Thank you for being so kind as to respond to my post. However, I am such a dim bulb regarding my cell phone, I haven't even learned how to use most of it's features--and don't really care if I ever learn.

However, I am concerned that anyone who chooses to, has the ability to locate me wherever I am. As I stated previously, I don't have anything to hide, but where I am at any given point in time is no one's @#$% business.

164 posted on 03/02/2002 3:29:16 PM PST by scholar
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
These systems generate a huge amount of data. In order to store this information for a longer time would require the cellular carriers to make huge expenditures in data storage infrastructure hardware and software...with no return on these expenditures.

So the federal gov't will store it.

Also, I think the data storage requirements are a lot less than most people think.

165 posted on 03/02/2002 3:54:43 PM PST by Mulder
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To: Don Joe
It's all going to present the opportunity for a tyrant or secret police to trap the innocent in a seamless web: digital face scanning cameras, cell phone tracking, predictive programs, "posture and pace" recognition, etc.
166 posted on 03/02/2002 4:06:55 PM PST by Travis McGee
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To: Squantos
I think digital makes it much easier to sift through and pluck out the ID codes.
167 posted on 03/02/2002 4:09:28 PM PST by Travis McGee
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To: Travis McGee; Poohbah
Exellent.

Stay well - Stay safe - stay armed - Yorktown

168 posted on 03/02/2002 8:31:34 PM PST by harpseal
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To: jimtorr
I,also, know this from on-the-job. A cell phone can be remotely used for more than just tracking purposes, it can also be used to eavesdrop.

If this is true, then all one has to do to thwart this effort to evesdrop would be to cover or enclose the microphone.

169 posted on 03/02/2002 9:12:27 PM PST by Dec31,1999
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To: Dubya
It don't brother me, I'm not on dope.

But you visit FR, which could be worse than doing dope if the Dems regain the WH in '04.

170 posted on 03/02/2002 9:34:08 PM PST by Dec31,1999
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To: Travis McGee
I guess I better forego that Stetson hat and I wonder if the Sperry boat shoes will be militia or non militia indicators. Does a charcol gray business suit indicate militia and a navy blue mean non militia? I wonder how far back they will go will a purchase made under my late wife's maiden name be factored in?

While I have no doubt some would try to use the data there will be a high number of false positives and missed positives. In short the fact they they blow it both ways should be included in your book.

Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown

171 posted on 03/02/2002 9:39:06 PM PST by harpseal
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To: scholar
You are right--I tend to still be naive because I am one of those citizens who thinks that, because I don't have anything to hide, that I am protected from intrusion from Big Brother--WRONG. Fact is we all need to wake up and see how our rights are being eroded every day under the guise of the goverment protecting us.

Especially in light of the WOT. I don't know what to think. Do you think it passes the smell test? It's a brave new world, for sure, and subjegation sems inevitable due to new technogy, no matter the rationale.

172 posted on 03/02/2002 9:40:01 PM PST by Dec31,1999
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To: Dec31,1999
It would be easier just to disconnect the battery. That's what we make visitors do, when they bring a cell phone into my office. Either leave it with the receptionist, or remove the battery. Shoot, lots of folks just leave it on the floor in the hallway outside the door!
173 posted on 03/03/2002 6:17:20 AM PST by jimtorr
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To: Mulder
"Also, I think the data storage requirements are a lot less than most people think."

I am currently in the data storage infrastructure biz. The expenditures for data storage for this type of information on a large scale are not insignificant. For them (the carriers), to commit to storing this data long term, without significant expansion of current operations, would heavily tax whatever current data storage personnel and equipment they have.
I have also worked for a major cellular carrier and I know the setup and how the stuff works.

174 posted on 03/03/2002 6:21:03 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts
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To: harpseal
In my novel the STU doesn't care about false postives or missed positives from the "predictive programs" because

/1/ They are only playing on %'s, and are not worried about collateral damage, (It's a war!) and

/2/ They are also attempting to instigate reactions from the "disappeared" targets' friends, to give them more targets to go after and a bigger budget and more personnel (and promotions) to go after them with.

175 posted on 03/03/2002 11:20:02 AM PST by Travis McGee
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To: Travis McGee
The technology being created for 911 is slated to be exploited commercially by companies offering geographically sensitive information services. The LAT/LON associated with your phone will be used to direct you to the closest McDonalds, gas station, hospital...if you can think of a business that would be willing to pay to have a service route customers that are nearby...that is the payoff. The TDOA stuff ranges in accuracy from 80 to 150 meters. It isn't nearly as good as having a real GPS onboard. That is why OnStar and Wingcast put a top quality GPS into their in-car electronics package. The GPS fix is good enough to tell the service agent what side of the street, which direction and your nominal speed (if appropriate). Airbiquity makes a "backpack" GPS that fits on some cellphones like an extra battery. GPS and E911 work great on open road with lots of sky and few obstruction to block signals. Both technologies fail miserably in an environment with tall buildings that obstruct the sky and the path to the cell towers.
176 posted on 03/03/2002 6:27:46 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: Myrddin
Thanks for the info. The commercial implications alone could be vast!

Pablo Escobar's trackers experienced the same frustrations trying to track him in large cities: they would end up tracking ghosts and reflections and multiple readings.

177 posted on 03/03/2002 6:33:37 PM PST by Travis McGee
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To: Dubya
I'll be glad when they get it on my phone. My family or myself may need help someday and not be able to call for it. We don't have anything to hide.

It is so called conservatives like YOU who scare me the most! I have nothing to hide, but it's none of your damn business or the governments.

Who do you think the government is? It's that nut judge who lives down the street. It's my Baptist city councilman who thinks I shouldn't drink beer, though he wants my vote every two years.

I do not use the Frequent Shopper Card at my market because it's not some computer geeks business if I read Time or U S News. They don't need to know if I eat dolphin free tuna, or if my wife and girl friend wear the same size panty hose!! (PLEASE that is a joke though my wife hates it when I tell the store manager)

I pay cash half the time at restaurants and refuse an EZ Tag for the toll way since I realized they also use them for traffic flow patterns on non toll ways in Harris County.

NO I will NOT give up a right so YOU can know I didn't have anything to hide!

BTW If you can't call you think they will come help just because your car stops moving, or did you even think through your "let the government run my life" answer?

178 posted on 03/03/2002 6:48:59 PM PST by HoustonCurmudgeon
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To: HoustonCurmudgeon
Thanks for your input. I love America and our Gov. Its not perfect, but its the best Gov. in this world.
179 posted on 03/03/2002 7:50:58 PM PST by Dubya
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To: Travis McGee
The Brits are discussing the possiblity of assessing motorists a "usage fee" based on the number of miles traveled and WHERE those miles are traveled. They want to cut traffic congestion in metropolitan areas without penalizing drivers in rural areas that don't have a congestion problem. They are considering using GPS to maintain a track log that can be analyzed and "priced" according to the impact of the driving. Cars equipped with OnStar or Wingcast equipment have a cell phone and a GPS onboard. Both types of equipment can be remotely queried for current and recent GPS positions via the cell phone interface. The "in-car" electronics is almost ready to support what the Brits are contemplating. What they haven't anticipated is the massive costs of the airtime and server systems to gather the data. It's not insignificant. In all probability, the "government" will charge you for the airtime and processing expense incurred to "track" you for their benefit. If not directly, then via high income taxes.
180 posted on 03/03/2002 11:55:45 PM PST by Myrddin
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