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Guess who's tracking you by cell phone?
ZDNet News ^ | 2/27/02 | Ben Charny

Posted on 03/01/2002 5:16:24 PM PST by truthandlife

The nation's cell phone service providers will soon know exactly where every one of their customers is, at all times, and privacy rights groups are asking what they plan to do with the information.

All U.S. carriers are under Federal Communications Commission orders to make it possible for police to locate cell phones calling 911, something police can't do now. Carriers plan to use the same systems to sell services like helping stranded motorists even if they don't know their location, or finding the closest restaurant.

Because people with cell phone generally always carry their phone with them, the FCC regulations give the thriving market for personal information something its never had a chance to get: the exact locations at all times of more than 140 million people.

"There are some things you don't mind other people knowing, but your location isn't one of them," said Gary Laden, a privacy program director for BBBOnline, a Better Business Bureau subsidiary.

Private details that become public knowledge every time people visit Web pages and leave information, every address that the U.S. government sells, or every ATM transaction that dutifully records the time are just some of the ways that technology has been tracking individuals. But knowing someone's location at all times adds a significant new twist to tracking information about people.

Sprint is already offering an Enhanced 911 (E911) system in Rhode Island and sells a pair of phones that work on the system. In a year, Verizon Wireless says nearly half of all new handsets activated will have this capability. The FCC expects 95 percent of the cell phones sold in the United States by 2005 will meet the FCC guidelines.

Neither AT&T Wireless nor Verizon Wireless offer any E911 or related services yet. But both say they do not sell the information they already collect from their subscribers, such as a home address used to send a monthly bill. And they don't plan to do anything different with the location information once they do offer those services.

"We already know where you live, but we haven't made that available to anyone," Verizon Wireless representative Nancy Stark said.

Travis Larson, a spokesman for the wireless trade group Cellular Telecommunications and Internet Association said the worry isn't so much the carriers, but the independent companies that provide the commercial services.

"Not all companies in this space will be CTIA members," he said. "Then you have a group of businesses unregulated."

So far, backers of two consumer privacy initiatives say they've begun talks with carriers about what they plan to do with the information they collect.

On Wednesday, AT&T Wireless spokesman Ritch Blasi said the company is the first U.S. carrier to have its privacy policies reviewed and approved by Truste, a coalition that approves online privacy policies, whose sponsors include AT&T Wireless, AOL Time Warner, Intel, Microsoft and others.

Truste and AT&T Wireless are also working together to create a uniform policy for what carriers should do with the information they collect. Blasi and a spokesman for Truste said they want carriers to tell subscribers that their location can be tracked, and what plans, if any, they have for the information.

Also Wednesday, supporters of a recently approved privacy standard known as P3P (Platform for Privacy Preferences) say they've also begun a dialogue with wireless carriers.

Some versions of Microsoft's Internet Explorer use P3P to automate the process of deciding if a Web site's privacy policies are good enough for a user. People can pre-load their Web browsers with preferences, such as whether they want a Web site to accept a browser's cookies filled with personal information. If the browser is directed toward a Web page, it'll seek out the privacy policies and determine if they match the preferred ones. If not, the Web page doesn't load.

Josh Freed, a spokesman for the Internet Education Foundation, said backers of P3P want to offer the same type of function to cell phone customers. "This way, every time there is an exchange of data, the phone alerts you if there is a conflict," he said.

The effort is very new, Freed and others warn, and is preceding even the existing technology.

"We have a blank page in front of us now," said J. Walter Hyer, AT&T Wireless chief privacy officer.


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To: Joe Hadenuf
Yeah, but that's another game all together and those people have enough sense to stay off cell phones. Personally, (although cell phone users are often a pain in the neck) I get a big kick sometimes watching these dweebs who think they can't live without 'em!
62 posted on 03/01/2002 7:15:34 PM PST by babylonian
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To: blam
When the phone is off, it is OFF. I cannot xmit and therefore cannot send data, location or voice.
63 posted on 03/01/2002 7:17:34 PM PST by lawdude
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To: Travis McGee
"Once the 911 GPS protocal is in place, do you REALLY think that it will not be used to track fugitives, suspects, 'enemies of the state' etc? Really? I have a nice bridge to sell you."

I'm cynical enough to expect that it's just a question of time before there are facial-recognition cameras virtually everywhere, recording every "anonymous" face they see. Although the faces will be "anonymous" they will nonetheless be collated, i.e., "anonymous_face_q892828" will have an "audit trail" of every camera it's been spotted by, with each entry timestamped. Eventually, "anonymous_face_q892828" will be in a venue where he's not anonymous, and voila! -- a name is attached to the formerly anonymous ID entry, and that person's entire past travel history will be there for the viewing.

Since the inception of cell phone service, it's been necessary for each tower to know "who" you are. When a call comes in, it goes to the tower you were last closest to, rather than going out to all towers. The way it "knows" (or assumes) you are there is because that was the last tower your phone registered with.

When you turn on your phone, it registers with the nearest tower. It will periodically re-register, and, when you travel to another tower's range, it will register with the new tower. So, as long as you've been within range of at least one tower, and your phone's been powered up, there is a record of (roughly) where you were, and when you were there. (This is how the "legacy" cell phone system has been working since inception.)

64 posted on 03/01/2002 7:17:58 PM PST by Don Joe
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To: Travis McGee
Doesn't matter! You must take out the battery, or they can remotely activate your cellphone as a transmitter to track you by conventional RDF methods, and have done so for years.

Then you know that someone can also activate the microphone, and listen in to whatever is near the phone. Those microphones are really sensitive, the sound does not need to be real close.

65 posted on 03/01/2002 7:18:00 PM PST by jimtorr
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To: Demidog
I was basing my suggestion on commentary from this poster on another thread. You've been around a lot longer than I, and therefore probably can spot the typical "joined today" disruptor out of the crowd of new folks who are serious.
66 posted on 03/01/2002 7:18:11 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: Travis McGee
How much you wanna bet Hillary is going to put this technology to use to keep track of her significant other?

Whether that's x42 or Rosie O'donnel I don't know.

67 posted on 03/01/2002 7:18:15 PM PST by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig
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To: Skip Ripley
You'd have a veritable roving death squad...

Something like in "The Terminator"?

68 posted on 03/01/2002 7:18:27 PM PST by cibco
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To: truthandlife
I know where I am, and so do people in front of me know where I am. So who cares if anyone knows where I am. Why are so many people nervous-nellies? If you get on an airplane, someone has a pretty good idea where you're going. The ATM machines know you got cash. The EZ PAss machines know you just went through a toll booth. Credit card charges... the list goes on. Sheesh.
69 posted on 03/01/2002 7:18:43 PM PST by Cobra64
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To: Don Joe
In "Killing Pablo" they would remotely turn on targeted cell phones (family and associates of Escobar) at night to get a precise read on them when the owners were presumed to be sleeping and the phones recharging. Then the rest of the time they would only be activated periodically at intervals to preserve the battery as you mention. And of course, every time the subject made a call, it would alert the search teams who would immediately listen in, roll tape, and capture the information from the cell phones the target was talking to for future reference, widening the net.
70 posted on 03/01/2002 7:20:45 PM PST by Travis McGee
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To: jimtorr
Yes, and with hard wired land lines as well.
71 posted on 03/01/2002 7:21:27 PM PST by Travis McGee
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To: boston_liberty
You can opt out of it.... it is to be used to comply with the 911 system..... and to be honest, I couldn't care less if the FBI or CIA or anyone COULD use this type of system to track Osama bin Laden..... do you?

I mean, really, what use is tracking for the average American.... why would a high level security agency even care? This isn't Big Brother knowing our moves, this is 911.....

72 posted on 03/01/2002 7:21:29 PM PST by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
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To: Travis McGee
Just recalled that several years ago an infamous computer hacker was tracked to his apartment in the the Carolinas ( I think) by a computer security expert that got annoyed that his home computer was hacked while he was skiing (notified by co-worker at the office who noticed activity).

The secuity expert traced the computer trail to the Caolinas, then with LEOs, drove the area with with directional antennas he mounted on a van.

The hacker was using a portable computer, but don't remember how he was transmitting. Records showed that he frequently moved.

73 posted on 03/01/2002 7:22:07 PM PST by gatex
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To: lawdude
Tell that to Pablo Escobar. Oh, he's dead.
74 posted on 03/01/2002 7:22:51 PM PST by Travis McGee
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To: anniegetyourgun
OK I apologize if I came across as a condescending asshole. I didn't mean it that way. I would have asked the same question if this fellow didn't but I haven't seen his other comments elsewhere. You are a polite poster. We need more like you around here.
75 posted on 03/01/2002 7:23:11 PM PST by Demidog
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To: watcher1
if the battery is attached, it can be turned on for tracking purposes remotely.

I,also, know this from on-the-job. A cell phone can be remotely used for more than just tracking purposes, it can also be used to eavesdrop.

76 posted on 03/01/2002 7:23:16 PM PST by jimtorr
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To: anniegetyourgun
Don't answer #13 - it's tonight's DU disruptor.

too late

77 posted on 03/01/2002 7:23:37 PM PST by Free the USA
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To: boston_liberty
What's the big deal? People like you make this out to be like a chip implanted in your fillings. They already know where your house phone is. Geesh.
78 posted on 03/01/2002 7:26:27 PM PST by VA Advogado
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To: Travis McGee
ROTFLBO !!!
79 posted on 03/01/2002 7:26:41 PM PST by Squantos
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